That's what communists have said, yes. It's also a very popular world-view in modern Russia - that USA only wages war for "oil and profit". Of course, such conspiracy theories should not be indulged by civilized people, would you agree with me on that?
No, I wouldn't. First, "communists say it, therefore it's wrong" is wrongthink in so many ways.
Speaking at the Catholic University of America Columbus School of Law in 2008, Chuck Hagel, the former United States Secretary of Defense, defended Greenspan's comments: "People say we're not fighting for oil. Of course we are."[112] General John Abizaid, CENTCOM commander from 2003 until 2007, said of the Iraq war during a round table discussion at Stanford University in 2008, "Of course it's about oil, we can't really deny that."[113][114]
The US doesn't fight all wars solely for oil and profit, but it's a big motivator.
It's not wrong-think, when literally everything communists have touched turned into death and decay.
Hitler drove a car.
And, really, statements like these are pure Republican propaganda.
Wait... what?
The Republican officials can claim that it was about oil, but it's all a part of the united Russian-Republican-Chinese anti-liberal propaganda machine that works to undermine and ultimately destroy the liberal civilization by making them forget about the righteousness of their cause. It's sad to see that it works so well, but I guess that's what happens when those people aren't suppressed like the neo-Nazis they are.
So... the evil Republicans are fighting stupid wars, and then saying that the wars are for oil, and it's all a plot to make people think that we shouldn't meddle in other countries' affairs? Seems a little... conspiracy theorist to me. And considering that you called the "oil+profit motive" a "conspiracy"...
The Cold War stayed cold because of MAD. Not because USA IS THE BEST.
And MAD was only possible thanks to USA-developed nuclear bomb technology
And Russian-developed nuclear bomb technology...
which communists stole from them, because that's what communists do with high technology - they steal it,
Technically, we both stole it from Germany.
because they're incapable of producing their own, due to their communism-infected brains being incapable of processing the level of data and workplace discipline necessary to make it.
Wut. Dude, you know I'm an anarcho-socialist, right? Please stop the insults.
Guarantee of peace, yeah, tell that to the Middle East.
Without USA's help, the ISIS would've overrun Baghdad and caused Iran to intervene, forcing an open conflict between Saudi Arabia and Iran. That's just one example of USA's benevolent peaceful influence in the region. Sadly, it cannot hold all conflicts, but it does what it can.
Oh, certainly the recent activities were sometimes good. But we wouldn't have
needed to do those activities if we hadn't fucked up the Middle East in the first place! Without USA's "help", there wouldn't have
been an ISIS!
Oh-ho-ho-ho, we're talking external affairs now. The US was imperialist too, you know. (And yet again, Europe is a continent, America is a country. Should the US be blamed for what happens in Canada, in Mexico? No? Then why should all of Europe be blamed for Germany's actions?)
Every major country in Europe was complicit in actions like that. United Kingdom, France, Germany, Spain, Poland, they all engaged in systematic tyranny and extermination. And, while USA was imperialist for a short period of time, it quickly stopped being so, because USA is a free and liberal society that abhors things like that.
Yes, we all did that. Europe, America, all the big powers. But... the US stopped being imperialist at about the same time as everyone else. Stop the BEST EVER IN THE WORLD, SUPERIOR TO ALL, FREEST AND MOST LIBERAL COUNTRY for a second, and think.
And when we account for country v. nation, and compare apples to apples (no talking internal affairs for US, internal and foreign affairs for Europe), it's pretty clear that the US has bloody hands, just like every other country.
False equivalence. A typical communist tactic, by the way.
Oh, whataboutism? There's a nugget of truth in that fallacy. I'm not saying that the US is
equivalent to every other country, but it's not
far better. Every country has a bloody past, and America is no different. You
cannot point to other countries' bloody pasts, and from that alone deduce that America is NUMBER ONE.
1. How so? What specific attribute or quality of the American government is superior to European systems?
2. How would you measure this?
1. A rigid law system
How is rigidity good? I'd say adaptability is far better.
which facilitates peaceful transition of power,
What exactly does that mean? Transition of power
from one person to the next, or transition of power
from one system to another? I'm guessing the first.
combined with enabling powerful citizen's movements for civil rights.
How exactly does the US do this? Oh, and civil rights are another way that the US is not-really-the-best.
2. Count the number of times USA went fascist/communist/dictatorial, then compare to European average for the same period of USA's existence. That's just one of the simplest ways to do that.
That is wrong in
so many ways.
1. Europe is a continent, USA is a country.
2. Fascism and dictatorship are bad, we've only ever seen authoritarian communism, so just say "authoritarianism, fascism, and dictatorship." Perhaps a distinction between communism (the ideology) and Communism (the historical implementation and system of government) would be useful?
3. There are many other factors, not just the system of governance, that affect the number of revolutions.
The USSR became a dictatorship through the Communist revolution, the US helped other countries become dictatorships, because CAPITALISM. I don't see how the US wins.
USSR also enslaved half of Europe into its communistic evil pact.
Yeah, the US is better than the USSR, but that's not saying much.
And, while USA has created some dictatorships, they all have eventually transitioned into democracies, with powerful capitalist economies that provided their citizens with high quality of life. Like South Korea, for example. It was a dictatorship up until 1987, and it didn't prevent them from being one of the strongest economies on the planet.
Wait a second, I thought we were discussing the system of governance, not the success of economies.
You can't say the same about USSR. The only thing it provided its slaves was poverty and death.
It wasn't quite as bad as you say it was - remember, there were a few different periods of the USSR. Some were actually somewhat good. It got worse near the end, for a variety of reasons.
No, no, no, no, justice is non-partisan
Ahaha, no, America is the "evil" too, its actions have been controlled by the "evil" people far too often, see how it's not NUMBER ONE?
And remember, it's too easy to see all your enemies as "evil". Hatred is hatred, no matter which side of the spectrum it's on.
But as we "act against evil", we must take care not to become evil ourselves. Authoritarian Republicans would fuck us all over gleefully, authoritarian Democrats would do it "for our own good."
Reality has a liberal bias.
...but what does that even mean?
Therefore, liberal justice is the only real non-partisan kind of justice possible.
No, justice should be
outside the political spectrum!
Any attempts at "neutrality" are a communist tactic used to introduce "false equivalence", with the aim of eventually transitioning into communist domination and shutting down all opponent through violent tactics.
Slippery slope fallacy. Also you're demonizing supporters of "neutrality", lol. Funny, you remind me of some Communists I know.
Since we don't want that, we must do away with being formally non-partisan, and switch to being real non-partisan, that is, pro-liberal. Only then we can prevent the evil from corrupting and brainwashing people into serving itself.
The only kind of justice is the justice that I like /s
There's a good saying about this sort of thing - "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing". Good people did nothing about the Republicans slowly overtaking the American government, and now the evil triumphs, having full control. Well, not yet, but it will soon, seeing as good people continue to not realize the need to start doing something about the problem of Republicans.
It's a problem that needs to be solved for the good of the USA and the world. And it needs to be solved comprehensively, to make sure that neither they, nor anyone else similar to them, won't rise ever again, and that the American government will belong to the forces of liberal justice from now on and forever.
Oh come on, we can't violate freedom of speech, freedom of opinion, etc. in order to "save us from the EVIIIIL!" See, this is the liberal version of authoritarianism. PATRIOT Act -> LIBERAL Act, Lying Idiotic Bumpkin Evil Republicans All Lifeless.
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