Are we going into blood libel territory yet? Seems like we are.
Lemme go fetch my inquisitorial robes.
No, it is well known at this point.
Whether or not this act was condoned or encouraged is another question.
Both sides have escalated it many times in the past however.
It really is a never ending cycle of violence, and politicians on both sides aren't willing to sit down and say 'lets end this violence'. They have a right to defend themselves and not be genocided, but the same is true of the Palestinians by virtue of being human, the cycle of violence will only end when both sides sit down and say 'we need to stop this violence.'
Actually they were stopping the violence back before 2000s, and the quality of life for Palestinians was improving exponentially, before the Palestinian government decided to go "lol fuck you Jews" and start the senseless mass murder that was Second Intifada, which literally plunged them several decades backward:
Which it bounced back from, in the grand scheme of history, pretty damn fast.
Also... do you understand what the Palestinian government is and what its history is?
The current Palestinian government has its basis in the PLO, which is a coalition of various NGOs on a sliding scale from the terrorist-freedom fighter scale (but def leaning a lot towards terrorist, some more than others is my point). The original agreement with Israel that created the current two-states-but-not-really solution was between Israel and the PLO. The current rift in the Palestinian government happened when the Hamas, an organization a lot more than average on the terrorist side of the scale, received significant power in the election.
Right now Palestine is not, de facto, actually a single independent nation. Its split into two Palestines, both enclosed by metaphorically Israel and physically by walls and checkpoints. As such, militants from Palestine don't have easy access to each other to fight. So when conflict broke out between Hamas and the rest of the governemt, they both took over one Palestine. Since then there was some reconciliation but I believe it was in name only.
Anyway, the salient point here is that the Oslo Accords happened because of the PLO. It happened because of the pressure of years of terrorist attacks mostly on civilians, because of increasing international aid to the PLO (mostly from middle eastern nations who wanted to make a show of helping Palestine without actually, you know, fighting Israel), and because after years of staying in the fight they "beat" the Israeli military in open combat (in a super inconclusive battle that changed nothing on the ground).
So yeah, its more complicated than you're making it out to be. They didn't go "lol, fuck the jews." They did what had always worked for them. Terrorism as a political tool is why they have a government in the first place. What the do you expect people to do when they have the tiniest possible pieces of land and they're up against a modern military backed by the US government? The Israeli government also constantly engages in slights, and occasionally lethal reprisal attacks, against Palestinians.
The Palestinians are doing peace talks, and they are doing peaceful protests, and it isn't working. Israel's current occupied land far oustrips even what the arbitrary UN ruling granted them. Yes, the terrorism is horrible, but you know what? They have to choose between terrorism and not getting what they want. Have they got any land since the second infatala? No, no they haven't. And if you opened the news anywhere except the US, (including fucking Israeli news sources written by Jews), you'd be reading about bulldozing homes in Jerusalem, and some really awful shit the Israeli hard right has said and done. On top of that there are regularly incidents of Palestinians robbed, attacked, beaten or even killed at checkpoints, protesters shot in the head, crotch, or kneecaps with rubber bullets on purpose, held down and forced to inhale tear gas. And of course occasionally an outright massacre. But of course those are the actions of an ill disciplined few, or mistakes. Whereas Hamas speaks for all of Palestine.
Furthermore, your "children and knives" argument is overly narrow and emotional. I've heard no argument that any Palestinian organization is targeting kids in particular. They're targeting civilians, yes. And that's horrible, and it should stop. But again, they're not the only ones committing attrocities. Magically, every time a conflict happens in that area, more poor, crying Palestinian orphans who just want a shilling for a piece of bread die than Israeli ones. But I don't see you shedding any tears over that. Because they're killed in a civilized way, at a distance, at the press of a button. Its ok to kill kids as long as you don't directly know you're killing kids.
Furthermore, the current Israeli government has its roots in the Haganah, the Irgun, and the Lehi. Which the Israeli government has issued no apology for or condemnation of. So even if you have a blatant terrorists = always evil, you still got some thinking to do. If the PA got control of Palestine area right now, and $3 billion a year in military assistance, you bet your butt Hamas would be a distant memory in a decade or two.
Anyway, not defending the terrorists. I'm sure they're all bad people who have done bad things. But they exist for a reason, which is that there are genuine grievances here, and no way to express them. Its not "lol genocide." The PA and PLO have both acknowledged Israel's right to live at the time of the Oslo Accords. And the point is that the terrorists rose to power because they're the only one with the power to get things done (and even that's questionable).
Even this could be OK if Israel were just some overseas country having a bad time. Because yes, the Israeli government also has a perspective, they've been on this land for a while. And yes, its a tangled mess that's difficult to resolve. But the point is, my country is propping up Israel, openly and in full defense of their actions. So we've got blood on our hands for everything they've done, and everything they do, and everything they will do.
The US has a media blackout on Israel. Occasionally they'll pay lip service to "Gaza strip this", "Israeli government issued statement on that", "international sources have condemned blank," but its all super shallow and essentially interchangable. The point of the article I linked is that just because it seems like a simple issue from where you're standing doesn't mean that it actually is. Remember, in the entire world,
literally only in the US and Israel do more than half of people view Israel as a positive influence on the world. Internationally, half specifically see their influence as having negative effects, and only about a quarter view them as positive.
Palestinian refugees is an inheritted trait. If we apply the same logic to Israel, than no, there aren't more.
Besides, if we apply the pakestinians standars to others, then we are ALL refugees
In any real political sense, Jews living abroad are not refugees from Israel because
they never lived there. And their parents never lived there, and their grandparents never lived there, ect. ect. Whereas yes many of the Palestinian refugees haven't lived in Palestine, but they were displaced in the immediate past by the ancestors of the people who currently de facto rule the land. Comparing those things seems maybe just a tad disingenuous. Remember, the same organization that passed a resolution on Israel giving them pretty much their only historically justifiable claim to the land, also classifies these people as refugees.
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