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Author Topic: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: T+0  (Read 1391880 times)

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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Judgement Day
« Reply #11205 on: November 10, 2016, 12:04:04 am »

The raw number is 22000%, right?

That's a 220x ROI.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Judgement Day
« Reply #11206 on: November 10, 2016, 12:05:00 am »

No, 22'000 is 22,000? I don't know what in the wierd you're doing with the colon in 22'000, which isn't even actual notation that I'm aware of.
It's my preferred notation, and it's standard somewhere. (it's happy hour somewhere)

The raw number is 22000%, right?

That's a 220x ROI.

Oops. Fixed that.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Judgement Day
« Reply #11207 on: November 10, 2016, 12:05:58 am »

Reread your post. You likely meant "what in the world", but ended up implying he was someplace inside me instead.

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It's a way of saying 'what the heck'.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Judgement Day
« Reply #11208 on: November 10, 2016, 12:07:42 am »

Actually, "weird" is technically a verb, and somewhat of an adjective, but definitely not a noun. And it's e-before-i, because reasons.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Judgement Day
« Reply #11209 on: November 10, 2016, 12:08:50 am »

I just like to say it that way. Didn't mean to confuse people.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Judgement Day
« Reply #11210 on: November 10, 2016, 12:18:42 am »

The aim to reduce lobbying and the influence of lobbying is something that can be worked with though, even if the method stated isn't constitutional.

Money is not speech.

Enforce that money is not speech, and the rest follows.

Expect howling and snarling.

This, so much this. Overturning Citizens United and all that, but that ain't gonna happen with the Republicans.

And repealing the idea that corporations are people, which is an absurd idea.

Overturning Citizens United ext. probably wouldn't happen with democrats either given how it pays to keep in the corp's pockets.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Judgement Day
« Reply #11211 on: November 10, 2016, 12:22:41 am »

Anyways, despite the Republicans controlling both houses and the presidency, the rifts that we saw during those periods when we had to kick the debt barrel down the road are still going to be there, so, it'll be interesting to see how Trump (and Paul Ryan especially, if he's still speaker) deal with that when we hit it again in March.
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« Reply #11212 on: November 10, 2016, 12:36:24 am »

I just like to say it that way. Didn't mean to confuse people.
I is confusing by your wordables, shall I admitance? ;)
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Judgement Day
« Reply #11213 on: November 10, 2016, 12:51:36 am »

Yeah, I don't intend to say much else, I guess. Especially because it's really hard to stop myself from trying to tear off FD's head right now, and that ain't the headspace to be talkin'.
No, let's fucking do this.

The fundamental foundations of all modern leftism are the Enlightenment, first-wave feminism, and the workers'-rights movements. It affirms that all people matter, however petty their station, that everyone deserves a fair shake at life, that the elites of society should not dictate its function or the lives of their social inferiors.

The middle and working classes of America were so desperate for hope, for some light in a time of deep economic and political uncertainty, that one set of party leadership let a demagogue slip through their shoddy system and win the nomination. The other would have seen a socialist independent secure their nomination if not for a deeply corrupt and biased effort to go against voter desires and proceed with the coronation of the candidate they wanted.

The Clinton campaign, the DNC, and assorted others were so god damn certain of their inevitable victory, of the justness of their cause, that they spent months upon months calling their base all sorts of vile things for daring to voice their opinions and vote with their interests, for rejecting a candidate deeply associated with the political structures which were perceived as the root of their problems.

And they're still doing it, still trying to argue that 50% of Americans are Klan members in waiting, and moreover hysterically screaming it in every venue they have. The election wasn't even called before pundits started blaming third party candidates.

You spend months telling your base that they're hateful dinosaurs because they're worried about the cost of living rising and decreasing wages, that their children have no jobs and a terrible education, that we've spent the better part of two decades embroiled in a series of wars which are literally this generation's Vietnam? You spit on them and act as if they're delusional idiots and then turn around and demand that they fall in line?

What the fuck do you expect is going to happen?

This is the same attitude I've seen so goddamn much of in university society, this delusional ivory tower circlejerk that's firmly convinced that the world is full of evil terrible monsters and a handful of right-minded superior people, and that all political/cultural/social opposition to anything they want is just Nazis crying because they're not allowed to be bigots any more. It's the most close-minded, ignorant, blame-shifting bullshit I've ever encountered, and I say that having spent a good deal of time around people who think that it's a good idea to go drunk-driving on a suspended license with a bag of weed and stolen pistol in their glovebox two weeks after getting paroled from their last DUI, then rant about government tyranny when they get busted.

We saw this coming. We had a chance to stop it. But no, "It's her turn," and we get the soulless face of government indifference and disconnection instead of literally anyone that could assuage fears and gather votes. Scoff at the idea of your opposition winning instead of countering their propaganda. Plan your victory celebration instead of hitting the fucking campaign trail. Clinton went to Wisconsin, what, once, in the entire goddamn campaign? A state full of working class voters prepared to go blue if anyone would make the effort to tell them that there was going to be a government that gave a damn about them. And they got nothing, so they voted for the person who, despite his monumental flaws, at least pretended to care. Crown the sociopath gynoid queen of the rubble when this is all over, eh?  ::)

This is what pisses me off to no end. This is what has every progressive I know ranting about America getting the president it deserves. All the dumb short-sighted smug elitist fucks that fed into this, that let the DNC crown Clinton, that let her campaign and supporters actively drive voters away, they're reaping what they sowed, but they're not prepared to take in the harvest. All this bullshit about "she's the safe candidate" "the election is a joke" and you fuckers go and lose the easiest election we've had in decades. People would have been falling over themselves to vote for any candidate who wasn't Trump that even made a cursory effort of paying lip service to the concerns and needs of middle and working-class people.

I cannot even fucking express the depths of the fury I've felt ever since the boulder started teetering on the edge. All these complete jackasses that decided now was the perfect time to tell both us progressives and the whole blue-collar base that they could go fuck themselves, right when the Republicans were running a tanning accident spouting populist rhetoric, when economic concerns are still strong, and the problem is with us? We lost the election? Fuck us for being traitors? NO, FUCK YOU WE COULD HAVE FUCKING HA--

That's why I'm sticking to memes and snark. Because this is easily the most angry I have ever been in my life, over the sheer entitled selfish arrogance that brought us here. As far as I'm concerned the Democratic party can collectively go stick a plunger in a toilet, sit, and spin. It'll take a goddamn miracle for me to ever vote for one of their presidential candidates after this. Greens will hopefully not be too crazy, and state/local candidates are still solid, but the national party can fuck right off, just one more shade of shit to hang alongside the Republicans on the wall of political hubris.

You want party fragmentation? Because this is how you get party fragmentation.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Judgement Day
« Reply #11214 on: November 10, 2016, 12:56:46 am »

Y'know as someone who didn't vote... it's not really Trump I'm worried about. Frankly, it's Mike Pence--he's one scary Nazi-esque motherfucker.

... I really hope Trump doesn't get assassinated or anything.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Judgement Day
« Reply #11215 on: November 10, 2016, 01:05:56 am »

*calms down*

Okay, Flying Dice, how has the working class been dismissed?

Took it to the polthread, but.

"You're voting for Sanders? Must be a misogynist Berniebros amirite lolololol"
"Trump supporters are a bunch of racist redneck hicks"

That's all you need. Millions of people concerned about their economic prospects, about shit jobs, about a lack of a future for their children, and the people backing Clinton call them all racists and sexists, that they don't have any real problems and are just looking for an excuse to be bigots. It doesn't help that Clinton is about as close as you can get as a face for insider politics, or that she comes off as completely disconnected from real people when speaking.

But why would people ever want Bernie Sanders as president right hahahaha

Well, it seems I've been living under a rock. I haven't seen any of this Bernie Bro business. I mean, voting for Bernie in the general is stupid, he didn't register and he can't win, but that isn't what you're talking about.

Okay, so if I get this right, Frumple is saying that local liberalism is trying to help the working class, but is hindered by the local conservatives and people being stupid. You're saying that a noisy group of Clinton-supporters was idiotic, and that the primaries were rigged for Clinton.

I think you're both right, honestly.

Also, while I was a pragmatic Clinton-supporter after the primary, I never engaged in this kind of awfulness - careful about your generalizations there. It's quite possible that most Clinton-supporters are awful in the way that most Trump-supporters are anti-gay - most are awful, and the candidate is hardly doing anything to stop them or turn them away, but there are quite a few non-awful supporters. (Just wanted to make sure that this wasn't an attack on me. Down, hate-filled retaliatory rage! You aren't necessary now, or ever.)
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Judgement Day
« Reply #11216 on: November 10, 2016, 01:28:45 am »

Well, can we call America a failed state yet?
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Judgement Day
« Reply #11217 on: November 10, 2016, 01:38:08 am »

No. There is still a glimmer of hope.

The US has thrown out both parties several times in the past.  When was the last time you voted Whig, for instance?

Given the recent schizophrenia of the GOP, and the now imminent implosion of the RNC, the time is ripe for new parties to form.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Judgement Day
« Reply #11218 on: November 10, 2016, 01:56:00 am »

No. There is still a glimmer of hope.

The US has thrown out both parties several times in the past.  When was the last time you voted Whig, for instance?

Given the recent schizophrenia of the GOP, and the now imminent implosion of the RNC, the time is ripe for new parties to form.

I'm actually surprised the GOP chose Trump over fragmentation. As far the Dems... well, they just keep trying to alienate their moderate base further and further, don't they?
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Judgement Day
« Reply #11219 on: November 10, 2016, 01:57:12 am »

Y'know as someone who didn't vote... it's not really Trump I'm worried about. Frankly, it's Mike Pence--he's one scary Nazi-esque motherfucker.

... I really hope Trump doesn't get assassinated or anything.
Perhaps this is why he chose Pence.
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