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[Max™]

WE LEARNED IT FROM WATCHING YOU, DAD, I THOUGHT YOU'D BE PROUD, I'M GOING TO STAY WITH MY WEIRD BROTHER CANADA!

[Loud Whispers]

Junckers says we will have to "pay a hefty bill" while addressing the EU Parliament

Thoughts? Bravado, reality or reassuring the other euros?

Works for Anglo nation and Yuro state. Yuro state does not want a massive budget gap to appear overnight, it can deal with rebudgeting if it has time to adjust, and Anglo nation does not incur any serious cost because by accepting budget commitments, the EU is in turn accepting that the UK owns a lot of EU assets
One of those rare moments where everyone got an acceptable deal. Not a particularly exciting deal for both sides, but acceptable

[Loud Whispers]

Labour just lost a seat they've held continuously since 1935
THE STRONGHOLDS HAVE FALLEN

[Leafsnail]

Nuttall is really terrible. He only appears in the news when he's caught in a lie about where he lives or whether he lost close friends in the Hillsborough disaster.

[Loud Whispers]

UKIP successors shouldn't try to hold a candle to the sun and should instead become dark and edgy, Farage the Edgehog

But in all honesty, it's not looking good for comrade Corbachov

[martinuzz]

UKIP successors shouldn't try to hold a candle to the sun and should instead become dark and edgy, Farage the Edgehog

But in all honesty, it's not looking good for comrade Corbachov

Whatever happened to comrade Boris btw? I'd have expected at least one scandal per week, but it's almost as if he disappeared into thin ether.

[Loud Whispers]

Boris is busy working so doesn't have time to make public gaffs right now. Michael Gove did apologise publicly saying that he sinned by betraying Boris and should never have contested his leadership nor supported the Leave campaign to begin with, also saying that David Cameron had never spoken to him since Brexit and that he had been shunned by Leave backbenchers too, leaving him all alone. And his feet hurt.

Asked whether he had this morning "looked in the mirror and asked yourself the question: 'Could the problem actually be me?"'

Mr Corbyn replied simply: "No." Asked why not, he said only: "Thank you for your question."

Tfw comrade Corbachov is fighting tooth and nail to stave off downfall
It's sad really. What's different is that he's now fighting against Union Bosses and his MPs to remain leader, meaning he has only the support of activists-students. Things not looking good for him

[Sheb]

Labour had been loosing voting share in this district for decades though. With UKIP voters going to the Tories, it was almost inevitable.

Which makes for a further challenge: now that Brexit is a thing, the Tories are well positioned to grab UKIP's voters (at least until UKIP rebrand itself as a proper far-right party). In a FPTP system like Britain's, that's terrible news for Labour.

[Loud Whispers]

Labour had been loosing voting share in this district for decades though. With UKIP voters going to the Tories, it was almost inevitable.

This is a description, not an explanation
This seat has been consistently Labour since its inception, this is the first time it has ever been anything but - why it hemorrhaged its voters is the far more important line of inquiry than whether it hemorrhaged its voters to begin with, because as we can see, it has.

Which makes for a further challenge: now that Brexit is a thing, the Tories are well positioned to grab UKIP's voters (at least until UKIP rebrand itself as a proper far-right party). In a FPTP system like Britain's, that's terrible news for Labour.

It's far more important for the Tories that UKIP won't be siphoning off their votes than the other way around, moreover I am not sure UKIP will survive to see the next GE in any meaningful form without a new are based Nige to propel the party forwards. It may be for the best that UKIP dies and is replaced by a NewKIP that has a new unifying factor beyond leaving the EU, but for Labour by far the most significant thing eating it apart is the infighting. The neolib core divorced the party from its working class roots, leading the working class to abandon the party in favour of anything else. Then Corbyn comes along and divorces the party from neolibs. After all is said and done, who's left? Student socialists. Not a very broad appeal there

*EDIT

Only to the superficial does Labour losing a by-election whilst in opposition, in a seat it has not lost in 80 years, appear to be a disaster. In fact, this was the day that Corbyn and his bold new grassroots movement set themselves inexorably on the path to greatness, with such courage and ingenuity in the face of such a setback.

When the Labour leader was asked this morning, hours after losing a seat his party has held for 80 years, whether he “ever wondered whether the problem might be me,” his response was instructive. Lesser men might have reached for the simple answer, “yes”, but Corbyn is courageous enough to hold out and search for the deeper, truer lessons. He gave an equally simple reply: “no.”

top bants

[Sheb]

Labour had been loosing voting share in this district for decades though. With UKIP voters going to the Tories, it was almost inevitable.

This is a description, not an explanation
This seat has been consistently Labour since its inception, this is the first time it has ever been anything but - why it hemorrhaged its voters is the far more important line of inquiry than whether it hemorrhaged its voters to begin with, because as we can see, it has.

Ok, my point is that Labour has been consistently loosing voting share in this seat since the 1997 election, so laying the blame 100% at the feet of Corbyn, or the current infighting seems insufficient.

[Grim Portent]

Labour's been dying slowly since Blair's first term, turns out Neoliberalism isn't popular with the people who rely on the services and protections it's in favour of cutting and actual economic conservatives prefer to stick with original brand conservatism.

At this point the only thing I can see salvaging the party is a mass resignation and replacement of MPs with ones who aren't Neolibs, not sure if old style socialists/social democrats/whatever would be the natural replacement, but Neoliberalism is a poisoned well in a lot of the country and the MPs clinging to it are essentially deployed anchors when the ship is trying to go full sail, holding it back and ripping chunks off it when they fall off.

[Leafsnail]

Corbyn's anti-nuclear and anti-Trident positions were probably massive hindrances in a region that depends very heavily on those sectors for jobs.

[Grim Portent]

Trident is a strange thing when it comes to Labour. WoS brought it up in an article they wrote in June 2016 about how Scotland polls in regards to Trident, and added a bit at the bottom summing up Labour's various stances depending on who and where you ask.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Laor's dismal fate is hardly anything new. Why, it feels like it was only yesterday that SNP took everything from them and the Scottish Liberal Democrats, who have achieved the questionable distinction of being the only political party to have been exiled to an island within an island.

[Grim Portent]

the Scottish Liberal Democrats, who have achieved the questionable distinction of being the only political party to have been exiled to an island within an island.

Can I sig this?