Yes, socialists can hate the EU too (for being part of the global corporate oligarchy), but they seem a lot less inclined to be all "fuck this, we out bitches" in the way that the Brexit movement was.
The international socialist movement is staunchly anti-EU from Jeremy Corbyn to Yanis Varoufakis, they just want to take over the European Union so they can create a giant socialist superpower without rival
Basically they think the institution is a load of horseshit but they wouldn't want to abolish it, rather take it over. This is in line with their thinking that their governments have not been friends to socialism, but they would not dismantle governance but rather take it over. Brexit movement is too broad to generalize, there are too many political movements under that umbrella on whatever political axis you want, I dunno what point you're making there
It's sometimes hard to tell the European right and left apart on the EU issue because they're both arguing for nationalistic solution, or stand in opposition to EU realities but for different reasons.
Generally though, and I can't claim to know a lot of Europeans, but I suspect some in support of the EU would resent being labeled part of the right wing because of it.
There are the socialists and nationalists who think the EU is fundamentally shit and the nation state is the best and not worth wrecking, so they are opposed to the EU and in favour of leaving
There are the socialists who think the EU is shit but not fundamentally so, and so would much rather take it over, being opposed to both the EU and leaving the EU
There are nationalists who think the EU is shit but like it because their countries are poor and they benefit from open migration with Western Europe, being opposed to the EU and leaving the EU
A lot of the times in these cases, the distinguishment between left and right wing parties is worth little here (not entirely worthless, just not entirely useful either), especially because a left wing party in one yurop state is right wing in another
We want Brexit (38% of us), but we don't know what we, collectively, even intended by that. Norway? Swizerland? Canada? North Korea? United Trump Of America?
The MPs will know what their constiuents thought and thus ensure that what May flagships is what we collectively want from it...
Yeah the pro-EU MPs will listen to their pro-Brexit constituents. That is why they want to stop Brexit. To listen to their pro-Brexit constituents. They know that all those who voted for Brexit really want the EU. They're smartasses like that, fuck that noise, May has it on point
Labour continuing to do everything they can to lose the working class vote, I see.
Also had anyone else completely forgotten Ed Miliband existed? Not that it's hard to do that, given that he's possibly the soggiest man in Britain, but still, it's nice to see him temporarily pop back up out of obscurity to show that sexy face again.
Clegg and Miliband pop up from time to time
Blair still pops around with regular frequency, though he's been hiding because we're all calling him war criminal again
Brown is gone
Other Miliband is gone
Also wtf Nick
hosted HIGNFYHomophobic attacks? What's the link with Brexit?
No idea, but the increase seems rather large to be due to random chance. That's why I find it rather out of the blue.
Reported allegations have increased, conviction rate remains at 1% for accusations, as collected by LGBT charity Gallup and not police stats
I is sckeptical
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