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FUCK YES LET'S LEAVE GET HYPE YEY

Casual yes, let's leave and get independence done with

Meh, probably just scribble all over my vote ballot to spite tryhards

Casual no, let's remain and get integration done with

FUCK NO LET'S REMAIN GET CALM YEY

[Sheb]

Regarding the old/young people divide, well, the good news from a pro-EU perspective is that we only need to wait a decade or two for the UKIP electorate to die off. I mean, sure, young people will have to live longer with the decision, but they can just wait for the old to die and reverse it later.

 More seriously, I wonder how things would have turned out if the turnout for the yound had been the same as for the old. Make me glad to have mandatory voting in Belgium so we dont't suffer the tyrrany of the old foggies.

Also, does someone have voting data of Commonwealth citizens in the UK? I wonder how they vote, and if that differ par country.

Finally, let me present you the top google trend results for the UK:

[Strife26]

The victory of Brexit will result in the destruction of which of the following?

Forgot Poland.

Poland getting screwed over is assumed as an axiom.

[Vattic]

Maybe just advocating for better education investment? The word was ignorant, not stupid. Or at least more effort in making sure people are actually getting legit information and whatnot.

Educating people into the right choices has never gone wrong before

I can understand your concern, but think more political education in schools would be good. I don't know if it's a regional thing or generational, but I don't know anybody who was taught even the basics of our democracy in school. I have met many who thought the public "elected our PM like the US it's President". It was only Brown replacing Blair that clued them in to the parties picking their leaders during office. I have argued with a lot of people who thought general election voting was already like PR. While politics has many sides it's not like they don't teach other similar areas like religion, though one of my teachers was clearly biased towards Christianity.

[Strife26]

It's a reasonable goal, but teaching politics has a very bad tendency to become politicized. It seems that most people are happier with ignorance than the horror of the wrong flavor of indoctrination.

[Loud Whispers]

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I can understand your concern, but think more political education in schools would be good. I don't know if it's a regional thing or generational, but I don't know anybody who was taught even the basics of our democracy in school. I have met many who thought the public "elected our PM like the US it's President". It was only Brown replacing Blair that clued them in to the parties picking their leaders during office. I have argued with a lot of people who thought general election voting was already like PR. While politics has many sides it's not like they don't teach other similar areas like religion, though one of my teachers was clearly biased towards Christianity.

Our education system is already a threatre of political nonsense of people fighting to gain mastery over the political future of Britain, I don't think it helps to abandon the pretense of education first to outright acceptance of the state of affairs
Plus after Cameron's media blitz of "just the facts," what little faith I had in the Gov's ability to be impartial diminished

[penguinofhonor]

My god. The other day I heard someone say that the new divide is between authoritarian and libertarian, rather than right and left. It struck me as apt then, but after thinking on it, that is almost insanely accurate. Practically overnight we've undergone a total paradigm shift from the 20th century model to something wholly new, rapidly enough that a lot of people haven't really caught up to it yet. That's exactly what's going on here, with Brexit being supported by both political wings for reasons which, while different in the specifics, all tend to relate in some way to avoiding international tyranny and restoring personal and national liberty. Goodness knows the thought of the international corporate-capitalist system crumbling is enough to get me wet.

I can't say I hate it, either. I'd much rather deal with people with political views that I strongly oppose but who can be reasoned and compromised with, and who support free speech, personal liberties, and the democratic ideal as much as I do, rather than the opposite.

This is crazy. I thought the right-left dichotomy was unsatisfactory because politics are nuanced and complicated, but it turns out we were just using the wrong simplified dichotomy.

[Owlbread]

After the past few elections and referendums I must say I am quite tempted by the idea of mandatory voting. Enforced democracy seems counter-intuitive but we could always repeal it.

[RedKing]

But the bigger point is that this is not an emerging threat: http://www.tradingeconomics.com/russia/gdp-growth
And I think that the situation in Asia is defined in the long term by this:

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I definitely sympathize with people that missed the memo on the China slowdown.  I do not mean that in the sarcastic sense.  People have been predicting this slowdown for FOREVER.  It really is completely understandable that it might seem like a stopped clock thing and be overlooked.  But it seems like it's really happening.

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This should probably be split out somewhere else (like my EastasiaPol thread), but I just have to say....that chart is just the worst. What are the Y-axes even measuring, because it sure as hell isn't annual GDP. And the left and right axes don't match, so it looks like fuzzy math to just say "Here, have two vaguely downward lines! Bad things!"

China's annual GDP growth has slowed the last couple of years. To 6.7 percent. Which most economies would be ecstatic, even slightly terrified over. It's like saying "Oh, the kudzu only grew two feet today instead of three." Beijing has long been trying to gradually slow their GDP growth to sustainable levels, because they knew that 10-15% growth year-over-year was utterly unsustainable and were trying to avoid a bubble.

Now, Indian GDP growth is actually higher than China's this year, something that hasn't happened since the late 1980s. But that's more of a testament to Indian economic strength rather than Chinese weakness.

[Loud Whispers]

My god. The other day I heard someone say that the new divide is between authoritarian and libertarian, rather than right and left. It struck me as apt then, but after thinking on it, that is almost insanely accurate. Practically overnight we've undergone a total paradigm shift from the 20th century model to something wholly new, rapidly enough that a lot of people haven't really caught up to it yet. That's exactly what's going on here, with Brexit being supported by both political wings for reasons which, while different in the specifics, all tend to relate in some way to avoiding international tyranny and restoring personal and national liberty. Goodness knows the thought of the international corporate-capitalist system crumbling is enough to get me wet.

I can't say I hate it, either. I'd much rather deal with people with political views that I strongly oppose but who can be reasoned and compromised with, and who support free speech, personal liberties, and the democratic ideal as much as I do, rather than the opposite.

This is crazy. I thought the right-left dichotomy was unsatisfactory because politics are nuanced and complicated, but it turns out we were just using the wrong simplified dichotomy.

Little did we know those political compass tests would change everything by adding that one spectrum into popular shitcourse

[Radio Controlled]

A sad day. Guess I'm gonna have to cancel plans to visit London now, good thing nothing was booked yet :/

Wondering what will come from things like the renewed bid for Scottish independence, and whether there will be a new vote to confirm the results. If nothing else, there is this petition (https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215) that says:

We the undersigned call upon HM Government to implement a rule that if the remain or leave vote is less than 60% based a turnout less than 75% there should be another referendum.

It apparently needs 100 000 signatures for parliament to consider it for a debate. As of posting, it's got 173,548 signatures. So that's something.

Let's at least hope this'll be the wake-up call the EU needed to get back on track again, and solve some of its problems. Best case scenario, it'll be a stimulus for them to get their shit back together, during which the Brits come to their senses and we can all relish in not becoming the world's irrelevant-but-quaint tourist attraction/museum.

Whatever else happens, I sincerely hope this'll turn out for the best for the British. And congrats to those who got what they wanted, I guess. Have a good one.

[Starver]

So, uh, this is a thing apparently: http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/eu-presidency-due-to-rotate-to-uk-in-2017-1.2698739?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

wat

The UK leaves Europe, to be followed by the rest of Europe, to become part of tne British Union (not including Scotland, the newest and now only member of the EU.

Obviously.

[miljan]

I dont think this referendum means anything. If they want, they can prolong the "leaving" of UK from EU how much they want.  Hack I think the UK will be leaving but still be as today for the next 10 years or more. Don't think anything will change drastically

[TempAcc]

We can solve all problems by joining the australian sex party

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[Loud Whispers]

I dont think this referendum means anything.

Don't be salty

If they want, they can prolong the "leaving" of UK from EU how much they want.

Who are "they"

Hack I think the UK will be leaving but still be as today for the next 10 years or more. Don't think anything will change drastically

Will the UK still be as today even what more look like?

[Vilanat]

A sad day. Guess I'm gonna have to cancel plans to visit London now, good thing nothing was booked yet :/

Why is that? where are you from? if anything, now is a good time to visit London with the low pound. tourist agencies already started advertising fly&shop deals to london.