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[Teneb]

"It is a civic and military action meant to reestablish the constitutional order and, more importantly, to save the country from its total destruction and to keep our young people and families from being murdered," he said."

Pretty much every justification for a military coup ever. He even used the "Think of the children!" card. Also, murdered? Maduro may be scum, but his forces haven't been going around doing mass murder.

[TheDarkStar]

Maybe he's saying that the existing police force is too weak to adequately discourage violence and murder? IDK.

[smjjames]

"It is a civic and military action meant to reestablish the constitutional order and, more importantly, to save the country from its total destruction and to keep our young people and families from being murdered," he said."

Pretty much every justification for a military coup ever. He even used the "Think of the children!" card. Also, murdered? Maduro may be scum, but his forces haven't been going around doing mass murder.

Sounded exactly like an euphenism or a long form spelling of 'coup'.

It reminds me a bit of ~2011 when there were a ton of uprising in the middle east. Depending on how things go, we could see results like Egypt (iirc not much of a change in the end) or Syria (massive civil war) or Libya (the country fell apart).

Or Tunisia, where things actually turned out for the better, for the most part. Though it's definetly a volatile situation.

edit: Venezuela has now created a Ministry of Truth, well, okay, they call it a "truth commission".

[smjjames]

Trump, unsurprisingly, says he won't rule out military intervention in Venezuela.. Trump being Trump, I assume he has no idea what he is talking about.

Given that we've historically treated South America as our personal stomping grounds, I have a feeling that it won't go over well. And I'm sure Maduro will be quite pissed when he talks with Trump at the annual UN summit next month. Maybe if it is as part of some sort of coalition, it'd be okayish.

[Baffler]

Well there's no reason to explicitly rule it out, but that's hardly a guarantee that it'll happen either. And that does make the (pretty generous from what I've seen) assumption that Maduro will still be president this time next month.

[Teneb]

It happened a few days ago, but I simply couldn't find it english (someone please post it if you do find it), but Venezuela has been kicked from Mercosul. Don't know about Unasul, but I am guessing it too.

Peru has even kicked out their ambassador.

To no one's surprise, Maduro's constitutional assembly (rough translation, I have no idea what it should be called in english) has ratified him as president. Also not in english because can't find.

As for an intervention, that would be a clusterfuck of incredible proportions. And it would make every single country in South America except Colombia incredibly pissed off because that is Too Close.

[redwallzyl]

As if the situation wasn't fucked enough.

[smjjames]

It happened a few days ago, but I simply couldn't find it english (someone please post it if you do find it), but Venezuela has been kicked from Mercosul. Don't know about Unasul, but I am guessing it too.

Peru has even kicked out their ambassador.

To no one's surprise, Maduro's constitutional assembly (rough translation, I have no idea what it should be called in english) has ratified him as president. Also not in english because can't find.

Well, "constitutional assembly" would be the literal translation. They haven't started calling it their parliament or national assembly or anything else yet AFAIK.

As for an intervention, that would be a clusterfuck of incredible proportions. And it would make every single country in South America except Colombia incredibly pissed off because that is Too Close.

Would some kind of joint thingy be doable? And yeah, I knew it would piss off the South American countries due to the fact that we've historically treated South America as our personal stomping grounds.

For now, I'm passing it off as Trump having no clue as to what he's talking about. Our military is already pretty stretched as it is.

[Egan_BW]

As if the situation wasn't fucked enough.

Just because things are already fucked does not mean that they cannot become more fucked. The maximum potential for fuckedness is practically infinite.

[feelotraveller]

To no one's surprise, Maduro's constitutional assembly (rough translation, I have no idea what it should be called in english) has ratified him as president. Also not in english because can't find.

Pretty sure 'constituent' is the correct english translation in this context (=National Constituent Assembly).

As if the situation wasn't fucked enough.

Just because things are already fucked does not mean that they cannot become more fucked. The maximum potential for fuckedness is practically infinite.

Yeah, although Maduro is looking worse by the day the real question is who, if anyone, is a better replacement.  Certainly the major opposition figures don't cut it; nor would an american puppet.  Thoughts?  Luisa Ortega is the only one who springs to mind in my vast distance.

[smjjames]

To no one's surprise, Maduro's constitutional assembly (rough translation, I have no idea what it should be called in english) has ratified him as president. Also not in english because can't find.

Pretty sure 'constituent' is the correct english translation in this context (=National Constituent Assembly).

Actually, you're probably right. I saw 'consistuent assembly' be used elsewhere.

As if the situation wasn't fucked enough.

Just because things are already fucked does not mean that they cannot become more fucked. The maximum potential for fuckedness is practically infinite.

Yeah, although Maduro is looking worse by the day the real question is who, if anyone, is a better replacement.  Certainly the major opposition figures don't cut it; nor would an american puppet.  Thoughts?  Luisa Ortega is the only one who springs to mind in my vast distance.

If history is to be any guide, it'll be some sort of charismatic rebel leader. In all seriousness though, any rebellion over there is going to be in it's embryonic stages. It takes time to organize and while there have been a few apparent leaders, any smart leader is likely to lay low until the time is right.

[scriver]

What makes you think the opposition wouldn't subvert any popular rebellion into itself, or be the ones to stoke the fire in the first place? As I understand it coups isn't exactly beyond their scruples in the first place.

[smjjames]

Me? I haven't heard anything about coups being beyond their scruples, though I'm assuming the 'forced down at gunpoint' type coup. It's certainly possible that they could subvert any popular rebellion into themselves.

As for striking the fire, that was already struck months ago when protests started.

[Sheb]

So, remember how people opposed Clinton because she was the warmonger?

[Teneb]

So, remember how people opposed Clinton because she was the warmonger?

Trump being a warmonger doesn't make Clinton not one, you know.

For the record: I dislike them both equally, but Trump is more likely to run the USA into the ground and provide me with sweet catharsis. So there's that.