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[quekwoambojish]

I don't know what's getting into people lately, but there's been a lot of threads about stagnant doomed dwarf fortress lately...

Where the hell is this coming from?

There's been times when DF hasn't recieved an update in well over a year! Ever since world activation, Toady has been active and updating DF at rates that most mod developers couldn't hope to keep up with.

Multi threading, x64, FPS death...All of issue with this stuff is pretty much mitigated if you're using a 1/2 decent desktop, and by the time we're in a spot to where decent desktops of today can't  run dwarf fortress of tomorrow, we'll probably have quantum computers by then and much bigger things to worry about...

Yes I admit, my craptop cannot play Dwarf Fortress past year 5 without some tricks. But that thing can't run 4/5ths of the old games from the early 2000's anyhow. My desktop though is 7 years old and have had virtually no problems. The user interface I'm aware is ugly, but by no means does it break the game.

The community is alive, Toady is very actively releasing updates, the game runs on almost any desktop, donations have been decently high over last year. This game has virtually no death symptoms from my previous experience with indie games (TONS of failed indie games, thanks steam Greenlight). Maybe America elections got people stirred up idk.

Do any players have reasonable agreement to games imminent damnation, or is this just an influx of randomly panicking escaped lunatics? Am I maybe turning blind eye to a bigger problem?

[Untrustedlife]

The community is also growing, I think its odd that people have been making these posts lately aswell.

[Dozebôm Lolumzalìs]

I'M NOT ALONE

THANK ARMOK

GET YOUR PITCHFORKS AND IMPALE THE HERETICS FELLOW BAY12ERS

DF WILL NEVER DIE

THE HERETICS ON THE OTHER HAND ARE VERY MUCH DOOMED

THEY WILL STAGNATE

WHEN I THROW THEM IN A POND

DEAD

((I have had it UP TO RIGHT HERE (points at Jupiter) with people who say doomed and stagnant. I feel just as you do.))

[RedWick]

Those types of comments are as old as the community. 

[Dozebôm Lolumzalìs]

That's a relief. I thought we were having an apocalypse of doomsayers.

[cochramd]

It's probably just one person or a small group of people raiding the forums in an attempt to get a rise out of us. In all honesty, Toady dying is a much greater threat looming over us than anything they've mentioned. I made a graph of percentile DF completeness vs years Toady has been working on DF, put logarithmic and power trend lines on it (because it sure as hell didn't look linear), grabbed the trend line equations, punched them into Wolfram Alpha and solved for percentile DF completeness=100. The power trend line predicted that DF will be complete in late 2085, while the logarithmic trend line predicted it would be complete in 2860. However, I suspect that over the next 3-5 years Toady is going to drop some big stuff on us like the myth generator he's been talking about recently and that will speed up progress so that we see DF completed in 10-20 years down the road.

[darkflagrance]

I don't think people raid the communities to express sentiments of doom and gloom. I've seen people who get deeply invested in the game and get hit by bugs or FPS death despair over the gap between what they anticipated and what actually exists. Whether due to impatience or entitlement they get disillusioned and make threads expressing as much, or simply wither away from the game.

This is natural for a game in constant alpha with long-standing and acknowledged playability issues.

Edit: not referring to anyone in particular, just my impressions.

[Dyret]

The tardwagon comes through once every year or so to tell us how Toady is doing everything wrong and we're all idiot zealots for not taking to the street over it. Such is life. I must say though, this year's catch has been fairly disappointing, we haven't even gotten a ten thousand word treatise on the subject yet.

I don't think people raid the communities to express sentiments of doom and gloom. I've seen people who get deeply invested in the game and get hit by bugs or FPS death despair over the gap between what they anticipated and what actually exists.

Neither of the last two guys were involved with the community in any kind of meaningful way. Second dude was on a fresh account, as far as I recall.

[quekwoambojish]

That's a relief. I thought we were having an apocalypse of doomsayers.

I know much that the younger gamer generations care ALOT about FPS and graphics. Apparently they can somehow tell the difference between 25-60fps.

Maybe a child youtube star recently made reference to dwarf fortress?

*Edit: Sorry if that did not make sense, what I'm trying to say is maybe the popularity of dwarf fortress for younger generations does not quite meet their one's expectations for graphics and/or visual. And recently maybe a younger persons game lead younger people to attempt to play dwarf fortress.

[cochramd]

I know much that the younger gamer generations care ALOT about FPS and graphics. Apparently they can somehow tell the difference between 25-60fps.

The difference is noticeable, it's really a matter of whether or not you truly care about playing at 25 FPS vs playing at 60 FPS. I'd be happy if the FPS never dopped below 20 when I finally get around to affording myself a new computer.

*Edit: Sorry if that did not make sense, what I'm trying to say is maybe the popularity of dwarf fortress for younger generations does not quite meet their one's expectations for graphics and/or visual. And recently maybe a younger persons game lead younger people to attempt to play dwarf fortress.

Dwarf Fortress was always a young man's game, if by 'young' you mean 'late teens, early twenties'.

[quekwoambojish]

I know much that the younger gamer generations care ALOT about FPS and graphics. Apparently they can somehow tell the difference between 25-60fps.

The difference is noticeable, it's really a matter of whether or not you truly care about playing at 25 FPS vs playing at 60 FPS. I'd be happy if the FPS never dopped below 20 when I finally get around to affording myself a new computer.

*Edit: Sorry if that did not make sense, what I'm trying to say is maybe the popularity of dwarf fortress for younger generations does not quite meet their one's expectations for graphics and/or visual. And recently maybe a younger persons game lead younger people to attempt to play dwarf fortress.

Dwarf Fortress was always a young man's game, if by 'young' you mean 'late teens, early twenties'.

By young I mean 16 or less. Most players here I'd guess are from 18-27, but I'm not saying even younger is bad, just that they are probably used to higher graphic/UI/FPS being important for gaming, so dwarf fortress 'appears' to be outdated or stagnant.

[Dyret]

Nah, it's probably not kids. My money's on smug millennial hipsters.

[Urlance Woolsbane]

I know much that the younger gamer generations care ALOT about FPS and graphics. Apparently they can somehow tell the difference between 25-60fps.

The difference is noticeable, it's really a matter of whether or not you truly care about playing at 25 FPS vs playing at 60 FPS. I'd be happy if the FPS never dopped below 20 when I finally get around to affording myself a new computer.

*Edit: Sorry if that did not make sense, what I'm trying to say is maybe the popularity of dwarf fortress for younger generations does not quite meet their one's expectations for graphics and/or visual. And recently maybe a younger persons game lead younger people to attempt to play dwarf fortress.

Dwarf Fortress was always a young man's game, if by 'young' you mean 'late teens, early twenties'.

By young I mean 16 or less. Most players here I'd guess are from 18-27, but I'm not saying even younger is bad, just that they are probably used to higher graphic/UI/FPS being important for gaming, so dwarf fortress 'appears' to be outdated or stagnant.

I don't think age has anything in particular to do with it. Doomsaying, in my experience, seems to be a natural element of any fandom (not to mention the wider human experience: Look at all the doomsday predictions.) Doctor Who fans, for example tend to be afraid of the show being cancelled because of continuity overload, a purportedly unlikable Doctor, etc. Poor processing just happens to be one of the few things that can kill Dwarf Fortress, in lieu of market-constraints.

[quekwoambojish]

I agree hipsters are smug, though this does not rule out youth as a potential offender. Perhaps youthful hipsters.

How about next time a new forum member join and doomspeaks, we covertly ask them questions that potentially identify where this is coming from? I doubt this is a series of random people completely unrelated. Maybe a forum of some sort.

[quekwoambojish]

Never mind.

By briefly looking, age doesn't necessarily correspond to these posts.