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[Gentlefish]

Vector's at work. She said she'd be available tonight. And I'm gone for three hours here now because I get to go to work. I expect a new page on 50ppp when I come back, guys.

[AbstractTraitorHero]

Ah yes I am saying that I don't look town naturally  I just appear scummy naturally I'm ussaly the first lynched and when I did make it past the first day once I only did  because I tryed to prove myself  as a townie as hard as I can.So I don't try to look town I try to prove I am town.

[webadict]

Ah yes I am saying that I don't look town naturally  I just appear scummy naturally I'm ussaly the first lynched and when I did make it past the first day once I only did  because I tryed to prove myself  as a townie as hard as I can.So I don't try to look town I try to prove I am town.

Fair enough. I think your case might be different because you're hard to read. Am I incorrect that English is a second language to you? If so, well, it does make it harder to read what you're thinking. If it helps, focus less on yourself and more on finding others. If you help Town, then you're useful, and you won't get lynched.

On a related but not IC note, I think you're Town.

[AbstractTraitorHero]

English is my first language but I have dysgraphia and ADHD so my handwritting isent good and my typing is only better because I took typing classes just eh screw mental illness in general.

[webadict]

English is my first language but I have dysgraphia and ADHD so my handwritting isent good and my typing is only better because I took typing classes just eh screw mental illness in general.

Yeah, that makes sense. Sorry you gotta deal with that. But definitely focus on the town game. It'll be more than enough proof of you being town.

[AbstractTraitorHero]

No problem my typing has gotten infintly better since I joined the forum like....a yearish ago.

[webadict]

At least fight me with your own attacks. Is it suspicious? Why? Because it's a bandwagon? Okay, but wouldn't bandwagons make for a good way to pressure? Does his posts seem off to you as well? If they feel off, then why are you questioning my rationale?

@Gentlefish: These questions, bro.

[Gentlefish]

I found your vote worth questioning because it came immediately right after mine. Bandwagons are good for pressure, yes, but are also an easy way for the mafia to get another "hit" in during the day if they do it right. Of course I found his posts suspicious; I thought I had explained myself earlier; He voted Doomchild with zero reason as to why he was changing his vote. I'm questioning your rationale to see what argument you have for voting him, and that you're not simply throwing a vote up simply to get an innocent lynched.

There, I think that answers all the questions. I think I lumped those into a mass of "here's this text" and saw a different question. My apologies.

[doomchild]

I'm unvoting Gentlefish for now, because I also need to remember to consider cock-ups before conspiracy.

I'm not ready to vote snow dwarf yet, but I definitely have some pretty strong suspicion about him.

But you were trying too hard

What about ATH's posts looked like "trying too hard" to you?  That's a pretty vague statement, and if that's one of your key reasons for putting me under the spotlight (it is), then I want more than vague accusations.

Why is Elephant Parade on your list if you don't have a reason?  That makes it seem like you're just throwing out names in an attempt to deflect suspicion onto them.  Or that your suspicion comes from nowhere, which means your judgment of what is and isn't scummy is exceptionally unreliable.  Either way, it doesn't make you look useful to the town.

[snow dwarf]

Ok I give up I don't know who is town and I have no suspicions. I have nothing to defend myself that I'm not scum. I might as well vote on myself.

[doomchild]

No, man. Never give up. Fight until the rope snaps. The only way to fail at this is to give up.

[snow dwarf]

Ok, I will now explain everything all my actions. So  everything that made me suspicious was because I'm a noob. I was voting on other guys just because I saw some guys vote and I took some ridiculous reasoning as to vote on those guys and suspect.

[webadict]

Ok, I will now explain everything all my actions. So  everything that made me suspicious was because I'm a noob. I was voting on other guys just because I saw some guys vote and I took some ridiculous reasoning as to vote on those guys and suspect.

Alright man, whether you're Town or Mafia, take these into account:

This might be true, but everything you've done just feels lacking. Like, imagine if I had written this: Would it be acceptable? I don't believe so. I don't want to hold you to a lesser standard, man. Everything that made you suspicious very well could've been because you're a noob, but you are also continuing to make noob decisions. Step up to the plate and swing. You might not hit a home run, but you might get a double with a nice post.

I want you to imagine something: You're a LYLO. It's you and two other people, one of whom is Mafia. Someone votes for you. What proof have you given to the other person that they shouldn't lynch you now? To me, I would say none. YOU look like the Mafia player. I don't see solid arguments for your votes. I don't see active scumhunting. If you can't provide these when you're not in dire danger of losing, then it's entirely likely that you won't give them when it DOES matter.

You are right that I see noob mistakes. I've literally been trying to help you the entire time, but you're not taking my advice. Here's what I want you to do:

First, read a few of the arguments against you.
Second, and probably most importantly, understand those arguments. There are more than 2 people voting for you, so that means there are absolutely Town voting for you. That means that Town players think you are Mafia. If this takes you 10 minutes, an hour, whatever you need, look at where they are coming from.
Third, come up with some counterpoints. Honestly, you really ARE a noob, but that won't work to get you out of this hole. Why should we vote someone over you? How is your target more likely to be Mafia than you? Why are the people voting for you wrong? We want reasons to not vote you! This is the first Day. The Town won't know anything more than you will.
So, lastly, give us some solid reasons to not vote for you.

You've got to see everything else from other people's perspectives. There is a 100% chance that Town is suspicious of you. So, why is that? And how can you fix it?

[hector13]

Before I get started today:

Vote count request

[O.Wilde]

Day Ends in 38 Hours

Votes:

Elephant Parade (1) - hector13
Gentlefish (0) -
doomchild (1) - Elephant Parade,
webadict (0) -
snow dwarf (3) - Gentlefish, webadict, AbstractTraitorHero
hector13 (0) -
AbstractTraitorHero (0) -
Persus13 (1) - Vector
Vector (0) -
No lynch -

Not voting -  Persus13, doomchild

Vector and Elephant Parade have been prodded.