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[Warlord255]

Three questions.

1. Do animals that eat vermin suffer SYN_INGESTED from any of their parts or tissues?

2. Do vermin that gnaw at food suffer SYN_INGESTED effects?

3. Can vermin be transformed with CE_BODY_TRANSFORMATION?

[IndigoFenix]

The first should work, although I have not confirmed it in practice.  Keep in mind that you need to give them GOBBLES_VERMIN_CLASS, regular vermin hunters (like cats) do n
not actually eat their kills.  You might need the syndrome to be on the vermin's 'main' material, usually muscle.

No on the second two questions.  Vermin work completely differently than normal creatures.

[jaked122]

Otherwise you wouldn't be able to have innumerable vermin everywhere.

[Dirst]

Other verminizisms: I have not been able to target them with regional interactions, but I could target them as creatures from DFHack.

Spoiler: Script that targets any creature including vermin (click to show/hide)

Code: (tame-all.lua) [Select]

-- Automatically tames any wild specimens of a specific species
--[=[
    argument
        <CREATURE_TOKEN>    The creature type to be domesticated, mandatory

    Made by Dirst for use in The Earth Strikes Back mod

--]=]

args = {...}

local function findRace(name)
    for k,v in pairs(df.global.world.raws.creatures.all) do
        if v.creature_id==name then
            return k
        end
    end
    qerror("Race:"..name.." not found!")
end

critter = findRace(args[1])

function checkForCritter()
    for k,v in ipairs(df.global.world.units.active) do
if v.race == critter then
if v.civ_id == -1 then
if df.global.gamemode == df.game_mode.ADVENTURE then
v.civ_id = df.global.world.units.active[0].civ_id
else   
v.civ_id = df.global.ui.civ_id
v.flags2.resident = false;
v.flags3.body_temp_in_range = true;
v.population_id = -1
v.status.current_soul.unit_id = v.id

v.animal.population.region_x = -1
v.animal.population.region_y = -1
v.animal.population.unk_28 = -1
v.animal.population.population_idx = -1
v.animal.population.depth = -1

v.counters.soldier_mood_countdown = -1
v.counters.death_cause = -1

v.enemy.anon_4 = -1
v.enemy.anon_5 = -1
v.enemy.anon_6 = -1
end

v.flags1.tame = true
v.training_level = 7
end
end
end
end

require('repeat-util').scheduleEvery('onAction',1,'ticks',checkForCritter)

Important to note that this is a 0.40 script not yet tested on 0.42, but the point is that vermin are considered creatures.  Except when they're not.

[Quietust]

Vermin are a type of creature; however, they never exist as units, only as "vermin events" (which can be changed to/from items in some cases).

[jaked122]

Can we make vermin suddenly and randomly transform into full fledged units?

[nullBolt]

Can we make vermin suddenly and randomly transform into full fledged units?

Tried this awhile back. Sadly doesn't work properly but I can't remember why.

[Tiler]

Vermin are not technically creatures, afaik. They are more like items that move around (e: or as noted, "vermin events"). Trying to turn a creature into a vermin, or a vermin into a creature, is a dead end proposition as far as I can tell.

Its also important to note that there is a bug involving any sort of reaction involving vermin (and some other creature/item specific things outside of reactions) where the material tokens are really screwed up. Usually you'd specify something like CREATURE:CASTE, but the game discards the caste and effectively gives you a casteless vermin, which means that any creature token you give these spawned vermin that is defined as part of a caste (most everything, really) is ignored.

I don't know the limits of what is possible in DF hack, mind you.