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[Yoink]

OH GAWD I'm technically a people in their late twenties now. It shows no signs of stopping.    

Also yeah, probably. I'll wait and see how possible it is to fix this before deciding whether it's a conspiracy.   

[Eschar]

I drank some tea. I am now sweating. This is unpleasant.

[Iduno]

I drank some tea. I am now sweating. This is unpleasant.

You can make a much better tea replacement with nearly-boiling water, your flavorings (cloves, honey, lemon whatever you normally put in tea to make it drinkable), and whiskey (rum in a pinch). If you're running short, the water and flavorings are optional.

[dragdeler]

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[pikachu17]

That is what I feel too. -phobia is appropriate for the aversion towards being associated with gayness (which is in itself not a fear of homosexuality but a fear of being ostracised/losing social capital(/social standing? I'm out on thin ice with these words, ironically enough )), but not the antipathy/hate that the phobia fuels.

I honestly and sincerely think is a distinction that it is important we make, because I think the phobia and the antipathy needs to be met with different condemnation, and addressed with different methods. I feel like grouping them together strengthens the hold the phobia has on culture.

I don't know what you're talking about. "irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals" is the definition of homophobia. It is not about fear of being gay only, and while I'm less sure, I believe that this has been what it has meant for a while.
In any event, what would you prefer that the hatred of homosexuals and homoromantics be called?

[Eschar]

That is what I feel too. -phobia is appropriate for the aversion towards being associated with gayness (which is in itself not a fear of homosexuality but a fear of being ostracised/losing social capital(/social standing? I'm out on thin ice with these words, ironically enough )), but not the antipathy/hate that the phobia fuels.

I honestly and sincerely think is a distinction that it is important we make, because I think the phobia and the antipathy needs to be met with different condemnation, and addressed with different methods. I feel like grouping them together strengthens the hold the phobia has on culture.

I don't know what you're talking about. "irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals" is the definition of homophobia. It is not about fear of being gay only, and while I'm less sure, I believe that this has been what it has meant for a while.
In any event, what would you prefer that the hatred of homosexuals and homoromantics be called?

From a language standpoint, it has the same problem as "workaholic" and most words starting with "cyber" ("cybernetics" being the exception.)

[bloop_bleep]

Well, we all have basically the same concept of what "homophobia" is, so arguing about exact etymological accuracy seems pointless.

[TD1]

If you have a phobia you possess an irrational fear. A homophobic person, this implicitly suggests, therefore holds an irrational fear of gay people. Or, often, hatred. Indeed, there are such people in the world. My problem with the term is that it has come to be applied to anyone who disagrees, however rationally and calmly, with the political or social goals of homosexual people.

A priest reads scripture and concludes that he can't perform a gay marriage is a homophobe.
A conservative politician votes down a bill letting lesbians adopt children, citing the importance of the traditional family model in the raising of a child. He is a homophobe.

These are hypotheticals. The views aren't necessarily something you'd personally support, but they are based on reason (or at least something unrelated to whether same-sex people gratify one another) and not irrational fear. I feel that 'homophobe' has simply come to be seen as a word which can shut up people who disagree with or refuse to implement a wide range of political, religious and social values which LGBT folks believe are central. These people don't hate gay people or try to stop them from being gay. They simply disagree with them.

To use a personal example, I'm of the strong opinion that priests/ministers/churches/whatever should be able to refuse individuals marriage if they want to, especially when their faith holds that they should. This includes gay people. Am I therefore a homophobe, frothing and dangerous? Who knows. 

Something loosely similar is happening with the word 'racist'. For instance, Meghan Markle. Britain has been labeled racist for not welcoming her. The irrational fear here is against black people. Because she is black, it must be racism.
In reality I've never heard or seen anything remotely racist directed towards her, even in casual conversations, never mind the media. But she's a black woman who broke up the royal family and is currently leading the nation's darling, Prince Harry, around by the nose.

Is the nation racist, or does it simply not agree with Meghan's ambitions?

[scriver]

That is what I feel too. -phobia is appropriate for the aversion towards being associated with gayness (which is in itself not a fear of homosexuality but a fear of being ostracised/losing social capital(/social standing? I'm out on thin ice with these words, ironically enough )), but not the antipathy/hate that the phobia fuels.

I honestly and sincerely think is a distinction that it is important we make, because I think the phobia and the antipathy needs to be met with different condemnation, and addressed with different methods. I feel like grouping them together strengthens the hold the phobia has on culture.

I don't know what you're talking about. "irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals" is the definition of homophobia. It is not about fear of being gay only, and while I'm less sure, I believe that this has been what it has meant for a while.
In any event, what would you prefer that the hatred of homosexuals and homoromantics be called?

"Hatred of homosexuals" sounds good enough

[Eschar]

I drank some tea. I am now sweating. This is unpleasant.

Experiment time! I'm drinking another cup of tea, with more sugar, to see if the effect is increased, which would suggest that the sugar is the culprit.

[pikachu17]

That is what I feel too. -phobia is appropriate for the aversion towards being associated with gayness (which is in itself not a fear of homosexuality but a fear of being ostracised/losing social capital(/social standing? I'm out on thin ice with these words, ironically enough )), but not the antipathy/hate that the phobia fuels.

I honestly and sincerely think is a distinction that it is important we make, because I think the phobia and the antipathy needs to be met with different condemnation, and addressed with different methods. I feel like grouping them together strengthens the hold the phobia has on culture.

I don't know what you're talking about. "irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals" is the definition of homophobia. It is not about fear of being gay only, and while I'm less sure, I believe that this has been what it has meant for a while.
In any event, what would you prefer that the hatred of homosexuals and homoromantics be called?

"Hatred of homosexuals" sounds good enough

How about homohatred?

[hector13]

In any event, what would you prefer that the hatred of homosexuals and homoromantics be called?

*puts on sunglasses*

Stupid.

YYYEEEAAAHHH

Edit:

But she's a black woman who broke up the royal family and is currently leading the nation's darling, Prince Harry, around by the nose.

eh?

How did she break up the royal family?

[scriver]

"Hatred of homosexuals" sounds good enough

How about homohatred?

That's also good!

I am also a strong fan of "homo-antipathy", or homeopathy for short

[Kagus]

You realize of course that if we change the word to something other than "homophobe", then I won't be able to use my stupid "I'm not actually a homophone, I just sound like one" joke anymore?

[Iduno]

Edit:

But she's a black woman who broke up the royal family and is currently leading the nation's darling, Prince Harry, around by the nose.

eh?

How did she break up the royal family?

There was a fight between family, and she and Prince Harry left the country. The Friendly Europe jokes thread might have more information (and are more serious than the thread title implies).