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[da_nang]

So I guess we can expect more sanctions except the sanctions that really matters.

Would love to see some actual spine for once. 

[Loud Whispers]

Fook ye, finally a new european war

I don't like how the last Crimean wars have been handled nor do I like the prospect of another. Be a bit fair though if NATO confiscated Russian ships going through Bosphorous, Channel e.t.c., only fair to be consistent

[smjjames]

Fook ye, finally a new european war

I don't like how the last Crimean wars have been handled nor do I like the prospect of another. Be a bit fair though if NATO confiscated Russian ships going through Bosphorous, Channel e.t.c., only fair to be consistent

This one? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_War  Yes, I know you meant the Russian annexation, just being intentionally obtuse as a friendly troll and you said wars, so...

It would be nice if NATO actually took charge, but they’d probably be like, ‘Ukraine’s not a member, so, not our jurdicision’

[Loud Whispers]

This one? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_War  Yes, I know you meant the Russian annexation, just being intentionally obtuse as a friendly troll and you said wars, so...

It would be nice if NATO actually took charge, but they’d probably be like, ‘Ukraine’s not a member, so, not our jurdicision’

Then why condemn with inaction? Opposition without opposition is the worst of both worlds, as you sacrifice impartiality but improve the lot of no-one

[Strongpoint]

It is not about helping Ukraine. After all Ukraine has no real alliance with anyone.

But what Russia did violates basic international rules regarding freedom of navigation. Why even have international laws and treaties if they can be ignored like that?

[bloop_bleep]

Martial law (most likely limited to several regions, details aren't know yet and I wouldn't be surprised if Ukrainian parliament won't support it at all) isn't declaration of war.

Sorry, I didn't fully read the article, I just heard from a relative that that's what they're going to do.

But what Russia did violates basic international rules regarding freedom of navigation. Why even have international laws and treaties if they can be ignored like that?

My guess is it's precisely because of what you said -- no-one truly gives a shit about Ukraine, the international laws are just there for the big 'uns to protect themselves and NATO etc. emptily condemn the action, impose fake sanctions and so forth to give the impression that they're there for everyone's interests.

[wierd]

Putin is testing the waters.

He knows that the world is not in any hurry to return to having a nuclear pea-shooter aimed at its head, and wants to see how far he can take the "russia as sleeping bear" routine in international politics. 

Annex crimea; World protests, but does nothing to stop the bear.
Ok, Let's stir up shit in Syria; World protests, but does not really do anything to stop the bear.
OK THEN! Let's impound ships we have no business impounding!  [Do you really expect there to be anything other than impotent outrage?]

[Strongpoint]

He knows that the world is not in any hurry to return to having a nuclear pea-shooter aimed at its head, and wants to see how far he can take the "russia as sleeping bear" routine in international politics. 

IMO, possible Nuclear war has nothing to do with lack of strong reaction to Russian international policy. Money are the reason. Imposing real sanctions will seriously reduce profits of important people in the West.

[martinuzz]

Latest polls showed that if  there were elections now, only 47% of Russians would vote for Putin, compared to the 77% he got re-elected with 7 months ago.
Russian intervention in Syria didn't get him as much credit as he had hoped.
So I guess what's happening now is just Putin trying to shift attention away from domestic issues.

[Loud Whispers]

Putin is testing the waters.
He knows that the world is not in any hurry to return to having a nuclear pea-shooter aimed at its head, and wants to see how far he can take the "russia as sleeping bear" routine in international politics. 
Annex crimea; World protests, but does nothing to stop the bear.
Ok, Let's stir up shit in Syria; World protests, but does not really do anything to stop the bear.
OK THEN! Let's impound ships we have no business impounding!  [Do you really expect there to be anything other than impotent outrage?]

This is beyond Putin, Russia has been perfecting a form of salami warfare, where it is conducted slice by slice in order to not trigger any large confrontation before their objectives have been secured. Sponsor local insurrection, send in volunteers to help the insurrection, send in paratroopers and armoured units to help the volunteers, send in reserves to apply pressure to the whole frontier. It is altogether the same with China's gradual consolidation of the South China Seas under armoured fishing ships & naval bases

[Dorsidwarf]

Yeah i don’t have any doubt that the whole business with the “”””rebels”””” in eastern Ukraine was kicked off to leave Ukraine’s army stretched too thin to even think about being able to reclaim Crimea.

[Strongpoint]

Yeah i don’t have any doubt that the whole business with the “”””rebels”””” in eastern Ukraine was kicked off to leave Ukraine’s army stretched too thin to even think about being able to reclaim Crimea.

Well, nope. There are\were zero % chance of Ukrainian army advancing in Crimea, distracted or not. The whole business with the "rebels" was to occupy rest of Ukraine. That plan failed because Ukrainians resisted far harder than was expected.

Among other news Russian have forced captured Ukrainian to speak nonsense on camera and Ukrainian sailors are under trial for "violating Russian borders". I am quite sure that it breaks Geneva convention in few places but who cares, right?

[Loud Whispers]

Well, nope. There are\were zero % chance of Ukrainian army advancing in Crimea, distracted or not. The whole business with the "rebels" was to occupy rest of Ukraine. That plan failed because Ukrainians resisted far harder than was expected.

More likely keep the rest of Ukraine occupied than to occupy all of Ukraine, make the cost of a NATO intervention WWIII, while working on de facto integration of the "autonomous" breakaway rebel states in Donetsk and Luhansk

Among other news Russian have forced captured Ukrainian to speak nonsense on camera and Ukrainian sailors are under trial for "violating Russian borders". I am quite sure that it breaks Geneva convention in few places but who cares, right?

The important thing is it proves they're alive. Doesn't break the geneva convention as far as I'm aware, as speaking nonsense under duress while on camera isn't putting them in harms way, especially since no one in the world believes those men aren't being forced to read the script. But it is a highly illegal act to kidnap foreign servicemen and steal their ships, but Russia sits on the UN security council so in this matter they can act like Americans

[Loud Whispers]

German official proposes African countries adopt voluntary colonialism

Really makes me think hmmmmmmmm

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Turned out all the Great Replacement racists were projecting. Imagine my shock