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Scale worship output by race cost? (changes will be applied retroactively)

No (flat 0.3E/T/u, break-even times 3T, 5T, 8T, 13T, 19T) (pro: Balances T4-based agents, contra: Takes forever to break even)
- 6 (33.3%)
Yes (1/3 creation cost/T, break-even times 3T, 3T, 3T, 3T, 3T) (pro: 3x break-even ratio preserved, contra: Low-tier races useless)
- 2 (11.1%)
Yes ((tier + 1)/3, break-even times 3T, 6T, 8T, 10T, 12T) (pro: Maximizes above two's strengths? contra: Maximizes above two's weaknesses?)
- 9 (50%)
Yes (other scale posted in thread)
- 1 (5.6%)
Yes (another scale posted in thread)
- 0 (0%)

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Happy Demon

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Re: Ye Gods Lite OOC [Open]
« Reply #735 on: January 22, 2016, 03:49:44 pm »

Eh, I'll just vote no on the poll. If someone wishes to min-max the worship output, go ahead.
But don't be surprised when they get preyed upon due to weakness and high numbers.
Seriously, that's just a recipe for Warg Food.
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Re: Ye Gods Lite OOC [Open]
« Reply #736 on: January 22, 2016, 03:51:30 pm »

Poll reset and locked temporarily to allow new scales to be posted
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Re: Ye Gods Lite OOC [Open]
« Reply #737 on: January 22, 2016, 03:53:14 pm »

Poll reset and locked temporarily to allow new scales to be posted
If you're expecting something from the players, I'm hitting a blank. In something of a dry spell as far as working out system balance is concerned.
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Re: Ye Gods Lite OOC [Open]
« Reply #738 on: January 22, 2016, 03:59:32 pm »

I get the feeling Isgon Isgonna get in trouble, with these diseases flying around.
And that's not to mention if he ever bypasses the disease immunity.
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Re: Ye Gods Lite OOC [Open]
« Reply #739 on: January 22, 2016, 04:00:38 pm »

The original Yes option was based on applying the 3x break-even ratio, so Tier 4 races (which cost 9E/u) would produce 3E/u/T. Of course, this runs into the problem that those who don't care about having a high population unit count would just produce Tier 4 races.

The current system awards a flat 0.3(3333333...)E per Tick per unit, which has the problem that very expensive races give just under 4% of their cost back per Tick, taking almost 20 Ticks to break-even.
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Re: Ye Gods Lite OOC [Open]
« Reply #740 on: January 22, 2016, 04:07:38 pm »

The third poll option is a bit broken. T1 and T2 are objective upgrades compared to other tiers with T1 giving the most worship for creation cost out of the two.

The current system awards a flat 0.3(3333333...)E per Tick per unit, which has the problem that very expensive races give just under 4% of their cost back per Tick, taking almost 20 Ticks to break-even.
Thus providing balance for creating a base race for agent creation. Now you'd have to choose between making a worship race, an agent race, or something in between.
« Last Edit: January 22, 2016, 04:09:20 pm by Andres »
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Re: Ye Gods Lite OOC [Open]
« Reply #741 on: January 22, 2016, 04:07:54 pm »

I get the feeling Isgon Isgonna get in trouble, with these diseases flying around.
And that's not to mention if he ever bypasses the disease immunity.
I'm generally not in favour of bypassing immunities. If you have an immunity, you have an immunity. Otherwise it leads to an escalating arms race of super ultra immunities and super mega duper immunity bypassers.

I just want a race that fucking disease gods can't mess with. That's why I gave them disease immunity. Screw bypassing disease immunity.
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Re: Ye Gods Lite OOC [Open]
« Reply #742 on: January 22, 2016, 04:09:49 pm »

I get the feeling Isgon Isgonna get in trouble
20 YG points say at least one god directly attacks Isgon before Tick 6.
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Re: Ye Gods Lite OOC [Open]
« Reply #743 on: January 22, 2016, 04:11:00 pm »

I get the feeling Isgon Isgonna get in trouble, with these diseases flying around.
And that's not to mention if he ever bypasses the disease immunity.
I'm generally not in favour of bypassing immunities. If you have an immunity, you have an immunity. Otherwise it leads to an escalating arms race of super ultra immunities and super mega duper immunity bypassers.

I just want a race that fucking disease gods can't mess with. That's why I gave them disease immunity. Screw bypassing disease immunity.
Disease immunity is 1 point. If you can wholly block a god's power with a single point, that means the game is unbalanced.
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Re: Ye Gods Lite OOC [Open]
« Reply #744 on: January 22, 2016, 04:14:49 pm »

I get the feeling Isgon Isgonna get in trouble
20 YG points say at least one god directly attacks Isgon before Tick 6.
I would take that bet but you're probably right
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Re: Ye Gods Lite OOC [Open]
« Reply #745 on: January 22, 2016, 04:15:49 pm »

I get the feeling Isgon Isgonna get in trouble
20 YG points say at least one god directly attacks Isgon before Tick 6.
Sucker bet.
I get the feeling Isgon Isgonna get in trouble, with these diseases flying around.
And that's not to mention if he ever bypasses the disease immunity.
I'm generally not in favour of bypassing immunities. If you have an immunity, you have an immunity. Otherwise it leads to an escalating arms race of super ultra immunities and super mega duper immunity bypassers.

I just want a race that fucking disease gods can't mess with. That's why I gave them disease immunity. Screw bypassing disease immunity.
Disease immunity is 1 point. If you can wholly block a god's power with a single point, that means the game is unbalanced.
You say that like 1 point is easy to get in this system. Every single point is precious in race creation. I don't invest points into disease immunity just for it to get ignored. Screw that.
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Re: Ye Gods Lite OOC [Open]
« Reply #746 on: January 22, 2016, 04:17:46 pm »

I'm sure it could be bypassed with research and power investment.
But that's where Isgon Isgonna get in trouble. Because I'm sure your god would retaliate.
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Re: Ye Gods Lite OOC [Open]
« Reply #747 on: January 22, 2016, 04:19:10 pm »

I'm sure it could be bypassed with research and power investment.
But that's where Isgon Isgonna get in trouble. Because I'm sure your god would retaliate.
He just made plague-carriers. Pretty sure someone else will off him before I get around to it.
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Re: Ye Gods Lite OOC [Open]
« Reply #748 on: January 22, 2016, 04:20:47 pm »

Price check:
How much would it cost to wipe a gods memorys?
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Re: Ye Gods Lite OOC [Open]
« Reply #749 on: January 22, 2016, 04:21:24 pm »

Price check:
How much would it cost to wipe a gods memorys?
Likely not any where near affordable even for dozens of gods working together, or even at all possible. Please don't price-check silly things.
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