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Killgoth

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The absolute BEST~~GOAT~~place to drop your clothing.
« on: December 25, 2015, 01:50:20 pm »

Is a doorway.  That way not only are you putting the entire fort at risk because of your own selfish carelessness, but also all the people who walk through the doorway get to see the masterwork clothing that you feel is not good enough to wear.


Can anyone think of a better place?
« Last Edit: December 25, 2015, 02:12:36 pm by Killgoth »
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Re: The absolute BEST~~GOAT~~place to drop your clothing.
« Reply #1 on: December 25, 2015, 03:09:07 pm »

This is why I make critical entrances NOT dependent on a single door.
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Re: The absolute BEST~~GOAT~~place to drop your clothing.
« Reply #2 on: December 25, 2015, 03:13:12 pm »

Try double thick doors.
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Re: The absolute BEST~~GOAT~~place to drop your clothing.
« Reply #3 on: December 25, 2015, 04:33:52 pm »

Lol guys I understand better defenses.  It just bugs me that whenever I build doors dwarves inevitably drop some piece of clothing right in the middle of them blocking them open.  In this case I was setting up a wooden door + doggy chain + cage trap in the 3rd cavern layer in order to capture some wildlife, and some bastage blocked the door open meaning I could either pull up the bridge and seal it all off or wait until someone removed the piece of clothing.

What is the deal with dwarves dropping clothes in doorways anyway (has anyone noticed other places they like to drop clothing?  Anyone care to share stories of havoc caused as a result of a careless sock?
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Re: The absolute BEST~~GOAT~~place to drop your clothing.
« Reply #4 on: December 25, 2015, 07:11:24 pm »

In this case I was setting up a wooden door + doggy chain + cage trap in the 3rd cavern layer in order to capture some wildlife, and some bastage blocked the door open meaning I could either pull up the bridge and seal it all off or wait until someone removed the piece of clothing.

Or deconstruct the door, and reconstruct it.  This will move any items that are sitting on that tile, even if they're owned, so long as they aren't TSKed for any other job (like hauling).
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Re: The absolute BEST~~GOAT~~place to drop your clothing.
« Reply #5 on: December 25, 2015, 07:29:27 pm »

What is the deal with dwarves dropping clothes in doorways anyway (has anyone noticed other places they like to drop clothing?
I think dorfs drop them semi-randomly. It is that you usually do not notice nor care about that. Only when it causes problem you see unfortunate placement of clothing.
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Re: The absolute BEST~~GOAT~~place to drop your clothing.
« Reply #6 on: December 25, 2015, 08:53:13 pm »

It could've been far worse.  A dead monarch butterfly can take down a fort.
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Re: The absolute BEST~~GOAT~~place to drop your clothing.
« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2015, 07:50:29 am »

It's fairly standard for dorfs to drop a pile of clothing on any building site, suspending the building. I've had cases where I've ordered such blocking refuse to be dumped, and the dorf who came to remove one item decided to add a bunch of his own garments, increasing the size of the pile instead. That's extra fun when you're trying to seal off a part of a cavern.
Militia dorfs typically shed their armor when stationed to explore a cavern, thus ensuring both that they're unarmored and that the stuff dropped is in enemy territory, and thus non trivial to recover (extra fun if it was the most senior dorf who dropped the stuff, so the next senior one was to claim the stuff you can't get at because the territory has been reclaimed by hostiles, but that dorf has dropped his gear, leaving it for the third dorf in line to claim...).
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Re: The absolute BEST~~GOAT~~place to drop your clothing.
« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2015, 03:35:37 pm »

Yeah, I think it's definitely connected to finishing a job; once dwarves are done, they'll drop expired clothing either on the tile they're standing on (blocking the door they just made), or on a nearby 'convenient' tile (a.k.a., that place where you wanted the next dwarf to continue building the wall.) I think I've also noticed it around workshops, in social areas, etc., so it might just be random, but the frequency with which they block doors suggests something else. Plus, I feel like I've seen some dwarves specifically drop their clothes when switching jobs, taking up a new job, starting a break, etc. - and not just militia. Not sure if I've ever seen random passersby drop their clothing on an existing door, although it probably does happen. From a programming standpoint, it makes more sense to have fewer points in time at which clothes' wear is checked, and it may be that Toady just had the dwarves always check it whenever they were free ("no job"), so that they're not worrying about it while they make their masterwork rock pots (but when they take the next job, they'll be briefly unassigned, and free to check their clothing right where they're standing.)

Also, to preempt clothing clutter, isn't it possible just to give them a personal bedroom with a cabinet/chest? That might not fix already-dropped items, but it would cause new items to be discarded there rather than just on the ground.

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Re: The absolute BEST~~GOAT~~place to drop your clothing.
« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2015, 06:03:29 pm »

Actually, cabinets don't stop dorfs from dropping stuff where they stand. They do, however, cause them to haul dropped clothes into the cabinet rather than onto the floor of their rooms. I guess dorfs without a room will just leave clothes where they happen to fall, as they don't have any private space to haul the items to.
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Re: The absolute BEST~~GOAT~~place to drop your clothing.
« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2015, 07:12:13 pm »

Maybe it has to do with them having to pause to wait for other dwarves to pass in chokepoints?
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Re: The absolute BEST~~GOAT~~place to drop your clothing.
« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2015, 08:14:23 pm »

What is the deal with dwarves dropping clothes in doorways anyway (has anyone noticed other places they like to drop clothing?  Anyone care to share stories of havoc caused as a result of a careless sock?
Or a careless butterfly. To my knowledge, there came a time in Boatmurdered whence a monarch butterfly jammed open a door and let in some elephants.
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