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[bobchaos]

I have myself a huge library, with over 100 books (all originals due to the current scribing bug in 42.02) and all kinds of silver furniture. It's packed with nearly 20 of my own scholar plus about a dozen or so outsiders. These guys have been writing, reading, discussing and pondering for 5 years and they still suck at it :O I understand that they are supposed to be learning from the travelers in order to level fast but all of them seem to be forming student-master relations with equally incompetent scholars As far as I can tell (it's tedious without dwarf therapist :/ ) only one or two of my scholars have gotten to novice in any of the science skills. Has anyone figured out a way to make them learn faster or to encourage student to seek out qualified masters? Or maybe I just have rotten luck? o.O

[Codyo]

My scholars haven't skilled up a lot either. Other people have seen this too.
Maybe it's fixed in 42.03 now?

[Jake]

What's the quality of the books like? It stands to reason that that plays some part in skill-gain.

Also, check their non-science skills. People have reported making their Chief Medical Dwarf a scholar and finding other dwarves becoming Dabbling Diagnosers, for example.

[Naryar]

Since I went from 42.02 to 42.03, one of my scholars went novice instead of dabbling. Still ultra-slow, and the only writing done in my library has been done by the scribe due to copying books bought from the caravan.

Ugh.

[therahedwig]

Perhaps teachers are important here? Has anyone tried to embark with a full-fledged scolar and see how long it takes him to train other scolars?

[FoiledFencer]

Perhaps teachers are important here? Has anyone tried to embark with a full-fledged scolar and see how long it takes him to train other scolars?

That's a pretty fun idea actually. Dwarf Monastery.

[bobchaos]

What's the quality of the books like? It stands to reason that that plays some part in skill-gain.

Also, check their non-science skills. People have reported making their Chief Medical Dwarf a scholar and finding other dwarves becoming Dabbling Diagnosers, for example.

Most of the books are pretty crappy actually, but I do have a few excellent writings (one of them is so good it's perpetually covered in Dwarf tears!). As for medical skills, they are considered to be "science" skills. Pretty much all of my dwarves have dabbling in at least one medical skill from reading only.

[Dozebôm Lolumzalìs]

Wait wait wait wait what

Your dwarves actually learn skills from books?! Mine NEVER do!

[Kestrel]

Yeah so what's the point of libraries again?  Do they have any practical benefits?

[thriggle]

Wait wait wait wait what

Your dwarves actually learn skills from books?! Mine NEVER do!

I believe it's dependent on their student skill. I experimented with reading a bunch of books about medicine in adventure mode and while i never got to the point of increasing diagnosis or surgery, I noticed my student skill increase. I believe eventually my skills would get a boost from reading relevant books.

In fortress mode, discussions seem to be the better way for skills to be increased (or at least kept from rusting).

[bobchaos]

Wait wait wait wait what

Your dwarves actually learn skills from books?! Mine NEVER do!

I believe it's dependent on their student skill. I experimented with reading a bunch of books about medicine in adventure mode and while i never got to the point of increasing diagnosis or surgery, I noticed my student skill increase. I believe eventually my skills would get a boost from reading relevant books.

In fortress mode, discussions seem to be the better way for skills to be increased (or at least kept from rusting).

I assume it's the books, but I could be wrong. I just don't see what else would explain so many dwarves dabbling in medical skillls.

Yeah so what's the point of libraries again?  Do they have any practical benefits?

Right now they are a good way of spreading medical skills among your dwarves, and the writings of your scholars provides entertainment to those who read them. Its also an alternate way of raising student and teacher skills (which still have their old use in military training) and certain conversation/performance related skills. If you can find a talented military dorf with any scholarly skill, see if you can get him to teach at the library for a bit, then make him a champion so he can go teach the art of murdering gobos

Sometime in the future it's been hinted to by ToadyOne that certain building/actions will need to be unlocked through research by your dwarves (and visitors!). Anyone else found a good way to put libraries to good use until their intended use is coded in the game?

[Kestrel]

Thanks for clarifying!

[gordy]

Could you use libraries as some sort of guild where they discuss masonry or some detailing our something other than a science? I get small benefits out of my doctor scholar, he and the scribes sit around discussing suturing and anatomy and such.

[omega_dwarf]

Sometime in the future it's been hinted to by ToadyOne that certain building/actions will need to be unlocked through research by your dwarves (and visitors!).

Oh...hm. I really don't like the sound of that...I hope it only applies in a positive way, that new items can only be unlocked through research, and not that existing items/workshops will be blocked until you research...that would be a terrible handicap, and slow the game down so much. But maybe it's limited to a smaller range of things than I'm envisioning. Like just magma workshops or something (because those are a little OP.)

[bobchaos]

Sometime in the future it's been hinted to by ToadyOne that certain building/actions will need to be unlocked through research by your dwarves (and visitors!).

Oh...hm. I really don't like the sound of that...I hope it only applies in a positive way, that new items can only be unlocked through research, and not that existing items/workshops will be blocked until you research...that would be a terrible handicap, and slow the game down so much. But maybe it's limited to a smaller range of things than I'm envisioning. Like just magma workshops or something (because those are a little OP.)

I was under the impression based on the dev log on http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/ that most things currently in the game would remain available except advanced traps/machines. All the other unlocks should be new goodies. I could be very wrong, but that's the impression I was left with.