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Moonshadow101

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Re: Paper-Making 101
« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2015, 12:43:12 am »

Any word if milling plants to a slurry produces seeds? I'm debating starting up a paper industry to make a library, but curious if it's one of those things I'll need to keep an eye on in case I accidentally lose all the seed opportunities and thus run out of plants.

It does produce seeds. Just tested it.
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« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2015, 06:16:08 am »

My Scholar and Scribe refuse to even enter the library. Anything I can do about that, or should I just get new ones?
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« Reply #17 on: December 05, 2015, 01:42:57 pm »

So far, these are my notes for making a book (in the simplest/crudest fashion, certainly not the only way)..
  • grow pig tails in farm plot
  • harvest pig tails to stockpile
  • mash pig tails into slurry at rock quern
  • press slurry into sheet at screw press
  • make blank qire at craftsdwarf workshop
  • make book binding out of rock/other materials (rock @ craftsdwarf workshop)
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  • wait for scholar to write on qire
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  • bind book at craftsdwarf workshop with thread, book binding, written-on qire

Look about right?

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Re: Paper-Making 101
« Reply #18 on: December 05, 2015, 03:39:23 pm »

So far, these are my notes for making a book (in the simplest/crudest fashion, certainly not the only way)..
  • grow pig tails in farm plot
  • harvest pig tails to stockpile
  • mash pig tails into slurry at rock quern
  • press slurry into sheet at screw press
  • make blank qire at craftsdwarf workshop
  • make book binding out of rock/other materials (rock @ craftsdwarf workshop)
...
  • wait for scholar to write on qire
...
  • bind book at craftsdwarf workshop with thread, book binding, written-on qire

Look about right?

Worked for me. Though I found making scrolls even easier. There could be some sort of advantage to codices over scrolls or something though.
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Re: Paper-Making 101
« Reply #19 on: December 05, 2015, 04:25:18 pm »

... Worked for me. Though I found making scrolls even easier. There could be some sort of advantage to codices over scrolls or something though.
What's the process for making scrolls?

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Re: Paper-Making 101
« Reply #20 on: December 05, 2015, 07:02:49 pm »

We should be able to write on extra processed tanned leather.

Writing the pythagorean theorem on human and elven leather.. Yes..
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Re: Paper-Making 101
« Reply #21 on: December 05, 2015, 07:07:59 pm »

So far, these are my notes for making a book (in the simplest/crudest fashion, certainly not the only way)..
  • grow pig tails in farm plot
  • harvest pig tails to stockpile
  • mash pig tails into slurry at rock quern
  • press slurry into sheet at screw press
  • make blank qire at craftsdwarf workshop
  • make book binding out of rock/other materials (rock @ craftsdwarf workshop)
...
  • wait for scholar to write on qire
...
  • bind book at craftsdwarf workshop with thread, book binding, written-on qire

Look about right?
Isn't papyrus simpler to make?
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MobRules

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« Reply #22 on: December 05, 2015, 08:39:03 pm »

OK, so paper clearly goes in the 'sheets' stockpile.

But what about rollers, quires, and, and bookbindings? And will anyone write if there is just paper, tables, and chairs, or do they need more of the book-making componants?
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Re: Paper-Making 101
« Reply #23 on: December 05, 2015, 09:07:01 pm »

So far, these are my notes for making a book (in the simplest/crudest fashion, certainly not the only way)..
  • grow pig tails in farm plot
  • harvest pig tails to stockpile
  • mash pig tails into slurry at rock quern
  • press slurry into sheet at screw press
  • make blank qire at craftsdwarf workshop
  • make book binding out of rock/other materials (rock @ craftsdwarf workshop)
...
  • wait for scholar to write on qire
...
  • bind book at craftsdwarf workshop with thread, book binding, written-on qire

Look about right?
Isn't papyrus simpler to make?

I think so...just one step...I wonder what the differences are between the types of writing material...price perhaps? Wonder the same about scrolls vs codices.

Another question...

The patch notes say that knowledge can be passed down in master/apprentice relationships...and we have seen some of it work for the medical system. Could you theoretically retire a legendary dwarf to mentor and write books?

Books can be read by idle dwarves...do they pass on knowledge?
« Last Edit: December 05, 2015, 09:08:33 pm by dennislp3 »
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Re: Paper-Making 101
« Reply #24 on: December 05, 2015, 10:05:55 pm »

Not skills, I've verified that. Knowledge? Perhaps. But I could have sworn knowledge was represented as a skill.
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Re: Paper-Making 101
« Reply #25 on: December 05, 2015, 11:06:53 pm »

Moving quires to a coffer in a library seems to be a low priority task.  It took forever to get a dwarf to write a book about funnels.

Also everyone keeps having dinner at the library's tables and chairs.
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« Reply #26 on: December 05, 2015, 11:41:08 pm »

Not skills, I've verified that. Knowledge? Perhaps. But I could have sworn knowledge was represented as a skill.
Does that mean Appraiser could pass on his knowledge in a book?  I'm trying to find a way to increase appraiser skill, as it decays quite quickly unless you're trading, and you can't tell your fortress value without it.

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« Reply #27 on: December 06, 2015, 12:06:04 am »

There could be some sort of advantage to codices over scrolls or something though.

Value. More materials involved, chance to make it worth more dwarfbux.
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« Reply #28 on: December 06, 2015, 02:17:41 pm »

There could be some sort of advantage to codices over scrolls or something though.

Value. More materials involved, chance to make it worth more dwarfbux.

Plus multiple quires can be bound together as different chapters of a codex, I think. I suppose that's only really an advantage if you're running out of shelf space.
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Re: Paper-Making 101
« Reply #29 on: December 06, 2015, 02:47:16 pm »

No they cannot. One quire, one book binding, one thread. One book produced.
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