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Re: Arms Race: 1780 - Dunwich Meritocratic Confederacy - 1781 Design Phase
« Reply #120 on: November 24, 2015, 09:12:09 pm »

I still think we would be better served by a locomotive, but we can still improve our logistics by metalling our roads or adding wagonways or something in the revision.

In order for that to work the ammunition would need to be in an air-tight container. Otherwise the wheel could spin in either direction.
Spinning the wheel back wards would be almost imposable, there is a ratchet just like in the Victoria II, to stop it from spinning backwards.

+1 to the The X Cavalry Pistol.
And does anyone have a better name of it? the X was just a stand in.

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+1. We can call it the Whateley Cavalry Pistol, or just the Whateley pistol.
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Re: Arms Race: 1780 - Dunwich Meritocratic Confederacy - 1781 Design Phase
« Reply #121 on: November 24, 2015, 09:34:26 pm »

Spoiler: The X Cavalry Pistol (click to show/hide)

+1. We can call it the Whateley Cavalry Pistol, or just the Whateley pistol.
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Re: Arms Race: 1780 - Dunwich Meritocratic Confederacy - 1781 Design Phase
« Reply #122 on: November 24, 2015, 10:18:45 pm »

I still think we would be better served by a locomotive, but we can still improve our logistics by metalling our roads or adding wagonways or something in the revision.

Can you think of a way to make our wagons better?

I like the idea of building a war wagon, but it need a way to carry the armour.
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Re: Arms Race: 1780 - Dunwich Meritocratic Confederacy - 1781 Design Phase
« Reply #123 on: November 24, 2015, 10:49:07 pm »

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A large, heavy pistol that has a compressed air method of firing.  It has a 9 1/5 inch barrel and a 18 round magazine of .46 Caliber Shot.  Through modifications to the loading wheel and a coil spring to load rounds into the weapon at greater speed, the weapon is able to fire fully automatic.  However, the speed of it winds up causing an average of forty-one percent of the rounds fired by the weapon to be thrown out of the side of the pistol.  On occasion, these will strike either the user or an individual near the user and deal the same damage as having been shot by the pistol.  Furthermore, when the trigger is pulled, the mechanism cannot be stopped until the pistol is out of compressed air, or the new coil spring winds up being dragged into the mechanism and breaking the gun.  The latter case occurs in roughly three percent of cases of firing the gun. (Very Expensive)

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Reached a little too far out there this time.  At very least it will be down to just 'expensive' at the end of this next turn from the paddle wheel mechanism no longer being complex...

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Re: Arms Race: 1780 - Dunwich Meritocratic Confederacy - 1781 Design Phase
« Reply #124 on: November 24, 2015, 10:50:35 pm »

I suspect that the biggest obstacle to a steam tank is the temperature. You really can't have an internal engine. Even an open-top design would be oppressive. Still, if you don't mind it being one-sided, it should be easy enough to build something with a pair of big roller-wheels at the front, an armoured section in between and either side of the wheels with steam-pressurised air guns spilling streams of ball shot out of small portholes, which drags a steam engine behind it. But it is a lot of effort to go to just to produce what is, essentially, a piece of barely-mobile cover.
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Re: Arms Race: 1780 - Dunwich Meritocratic Confederacy - 1781 Design Phase
« Reply #125 on: November 24, 2015, 11:05:14 pm »

I still think we would be better served by a locomotive, but we can still improve our logistics by metalling our roads or adding wagonways or something in the revision.

Can you think of a way to make our wagons better?

I like the idea of building a war wagon, but it need a way to carry the armour.

I thought about it for a little while and I think it would probably be easier (and more broadly useful) to focus on the horse rather than the cart, working toward developing superior breeding stock for different purposes and improving our saddles, harnesses, and whatnot. I know UR suggested it earlier, but I can't find the post.
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Re: Arms Race: 1780 - Dunwich Meritocratic Confederacy - 1781 Revision Phase
« Reply #126 on: November 25, 2015, 01:26:07 am »

Well, It is sort of sad to waste all our revisions on newly produced items, but, well, we could, potentially, add some sort of hinged flap(with nice angled edges that fits into a matching groove in the top even if they are not perfectly aligned) into the barrel that the wheel would push down, reducing the flow between shots and preserving some of the pressure mid-salvo. We could also make the wheel's spokes shallower to increase the force at which the balls are ejected from it and reduce the number of spokes to leave more time for balls to enter and exit the wheel. although the wheel would likely then require some sort of winding mechanism and gearing to control the speed and give it the force to push the flap out of the way...

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Or we could just move the wheel up a little bit so it ejects the ammunition more reliably and has a little less force rotating it...

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Could we revise it to be ten times as large, mounted on a cart, and fired with a very long string(preferably from behind a large boulder)?
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Re: Arms Race: 1780 - Dunwich Meritocratic Confederacy - 1781 Revision Phase
« Reply #127 on: November 25, 2015, 02:17:45 am »

Or we could dump it.

I day let's revise some cannon ammo. Shrapnel shots would be awesome.
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Re: Arms Race: 1780 - Dunwich Meritocratic Confederacy - 1781 Revision Phase
« Reply #128 on: November 25, 2015, 02:35:10 am »

Getting canister shot does seem like a good idea, yeah.
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Re: Arms Race: 1780 - Dunwich Meritocratic Confederacy - 1781 Revision Phase
« Reply #129 on: November 25, 2015, 02:49:20 am »

It would be like a whole lot of miniature cannister shots that cavalry could use in danger-close situations... But yeah, that would probably be best in small skirmishes, where the victory would be pretty good too. Cannister would help in large-scale engagements and delaying tactics, so that makes sense.
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Re: Arms Race: 1780 - Dunwich Meritocratic Confederacy - 1781 Revision Phase
« Reply #130 on: November 25, 2015, 04:33:01 am »

Well, that pistol is plain useless. Did I say that full auto in 18th century isn't funny? It was obvious that it will be meh, will be very expensive (and we can't spend production focus on it because we need it for Victoria)

Canister shot for revision it is. No one here wants logistics. Don't get surprised when we will have no enough resources to wage war.
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Re: Arms Race: 1780 - Dunwich Meritocratic Confederacy - 1781 Revision Phase
« Reply #131 on: November 25, 2015, 05:54:47 am »

Well, on the bright side, if I understand the way tech work, that useless pistol will speed down the cheapening of the Victoria since it shares tech.
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Re: Arms Race: 1780 - Dunwich Meritocratic Confederacy - 1781 Revision Phase
« Reply #132 on: November 25, 2015, 01:03:28 pm »

Ok so we got the worse out come we possibly could have, the dam thing is more dangerous to our own men than the enemy.
maybe we can fix it  but that will have to be far in the future.

+1 to Canister shot for revision.

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Re: Arms Race: 1780 - Dunwich Meritocratic Confederacy - 1781 Revision Phase
« Reply #133 on: November 25, 2015, 01:56:34 pm »

+1 to canister shot
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Re: Arms Race: 1780 - Dunwich Meritocratic Confederacy - 1781 Revision Phase
« Reply #134 on: November 25, 2015, 10:11:32 pm »

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Dunwich Cannister Shot - A cannister shot designed for Dunwich cannons to have an effective range equal to eighty percent of the effective range of standard ball ammunition.

You really didn't give me too much that would go bad this time around.  Nor things that would go good either.  So I just went with the percentage of effective range and you wound up with some longer range than regular cannister shot.

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