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[Zanzetkuken The Great]

International/OOC thread

A Message from the Roberts Island Colonial Government to the Board of Engineers, March 17, 1780

Greetings loyal engineers of the British Empire.  We have recently recieved a number of reports from our scouts suggesting that the Atterton Monarchy and the Dunwich Meritocratic Confederacy are beginning to stabilize their holdings.  It appears that their upsurge has will prove to be longer lasting than prior thought.  With it being unknown how long until British forces will arrive to quell the rebellion, the Colonial Government of the Roberts Islands under the British Empire has decided we must take a more proactive approach.  Your board is to design and oversee the implementation of new technologies to allow us to take the fight to these rebels and bring the main island back under the rule of the British Empire!

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Spoiler: Nation Specs - 1780 (click to show/hide)

Soldier Gear
Wool Uniforms - These basic uniforms are made of wool and are partially dyed red to mark loyalty to the British Empire.

Technology
Muzzle Loading
Smoothbore
Flintlock
18 mm Musket Shot
6 lb. Cannon Balls
Horse Domestication
Carriages
Fishing Boats
Sabers
Bayonets
Gunpowder

Weapons
Infantry
Brown Bess Musket - A smoothbore flintlock weapon that fires a .69 inch (18 mm) shot.  It has accuracy variable to a range between 50-100 meters. These are designed to be able to be equipped with bayonets. (Cheap)
Saber - The sword used by boarding crews and Officers of the British Loyalists. (Cheap)

Artillery
6 Pound Cannons - Smoothbore cannons taken from, or based off of the ones found in, the island's city and mountaintop forts.  Each has an effective range of around 400 meters. (Very Expensive)

Navy
Gun boats - Fishing boats retrofitted in order to support a single 6 lb. Cannon. (Very Expensive)

Transportation Infrastructure
Horse and Carriage - The most basic form of transportation.  Able to transport a single material resource for weapons production each (turn).

Resources
Board of Engineers Facility - Provides an ability to design a new creation and revise an existing construction each (turn).
Colonial Government's Construction Yard - Allows for promotion of production of a single weapon or other piece of technology for (one turn).
Scouting Operations Headquarters - Allows for the usage of a single espionage action to be performed each (turn).
1 Ore - Large Infantry weapons (for muskets, greater than ~1 inch (25 mm)) are Expensive.  Artillery greater than 3 lbs is Very Expensive.
-The island under the British Loyalists may at most provide two additional resources.  Further may be gained through land acquisition or trade with the rest of the British Empire-

[coleslaw35]

Well, hello gents. I'd like to state that we are, in fact, on an island by ourselves so I'd say it'd be wise to ensure our naval dominance.

[werty892]

Indeed. I suggest we adopt a strategy similar to Great Britain herself, to use our island advantage to avoid getting attacked directly, then launching a expeditionary force when the other nations have fought each other to a standstill

[Kot]

Aye, lads. We seem to be in a bit of trouble here, so let's start tinkering already, eh?
I propose we make swords. Oh, we do actually have that. Well then, I suppose we should reinforce our naval power, as we're kind of stuck on this tiny bit of rock, away from the dirty treacherous buggers that wank around on the main island. Let's make actual ships, shall we? *sips tea*
EDIT:
Well, eh, it does seem we agree on the fact that we need ships, but I have set up an list of thingies we could use.
1) Ships. Well, duh, we obviously aren't getting true Ships Of Line, at best we could get a sixth-rate, but I guess we should go with a brig instead. Even one of those would be ruling the waves.
2) Rifle. Would be glorious, really, but proably expensive and hard to research.
3) Puckle gun. Actually, what about Collier Revolver? I know we're quite early but... it's a bloody flintlock revolver!

[coleslaw35]

So, shall we design a new ship? If so, I'd say something light and fast. While it may lack in firepower and hull strength, they'd be nice little ships that could, potentially, just straight up outmaneuver  other ships. I don't really have anything to base it off in regards to real life, but I'll describe what I'm thinking and you guys can make your own modifications/ship suggestions.

Spoiler: London class sloop (click to show/hide)

Named after the great city of London, this ship is rather small yet considerably larger than the fishing boats and just slightly smaller than the average sloop-of-war. Fitted with 15 cannons on the left, 15 on the right side, one cannon on the front, and one on the back, this ship is designed to be as fast and as maneuverable as can be.

[coleslaw35]

at best we could get a sixth-rate, but I guess we should go with a brig instead.

Woops, didn't see the edit.

EDIT: Although we could probably just scale up the London class sloop by increasing its size and cannon count and then call it the London class BRIG instead.

[Kot]

Actually, sloops are apparently bigger than brigs, usually. We could go with brig sloop. Basically a sloop with only two masts, with shallower draught, about 18 (low number but eh, the fishing boats have only one) guns, low manpower need and apparently the highest ratio of firepower to tonnage in the British navy back in the days. Not exactly long-range ships but that's not really a problem in our situation.

[coleslaw35]

Actually, sloops are apparently bigger than brigs, usually. We could go with brig sloop. Basically a sloop with only two masts, with shallower draught, about 18 (low number but eh, the fishing boats have only one) guns, low manpower need and apparently the highest ratio of firepower to tonnage in the British navy back in the days. Not exactly long-range ships but that's not really a problem in our situation.

Alright, sounds good.

*ahem*

Spoiler: London class brig-sloop (click to show/hide)

Named after the great city of London, this class of ship is rather small yet considerably larger than the fishing boats. Fitted with 18 cannons on the left, 18 on the right side, one cannon on the front, and one on the back, this ship is designed to be as fast and as maneuverable as can be while still maintaining good strength and firepower for its size.

How's that?

[Kot]

I am kind of worried because the gun count was total. That is, 9 guns left, 9 guns right, (with pair furthest and rearmost partially covering ahead and abaft). Even the original sloop is kind of too much, since it has 32 damn cannons. It's not even sixth-rate (starts from 20 cannons to about 28), that is a fifth-rate (32 cannons up to 44)!

[coleslaw35]

I am kind of worried because the gun count was total. That is, 9 guns left, 9 guns right, (with pair furthest and rearmost partially covering ahead and abaft). Even the original sloop is kind of too much, since it has 32 damn cannons. It's not even sixth-rate (starts from 20 cannons to about 28), that is a fifth-rate (32 cannons up to 44)!

My bad, not as proficient with 18th century stuff.
Let me try that again...

Spoiler: London class brig-sloop (click to show/hide)

Named after the great city of London, this class of ship is rather small yet considerably larger than the fishing boats. Fitted with 18 cannons total, with 9 on the left and 9 on the right (cannons farthest in the back are angled slightly backwards, cannons in the far front angled slightly forwards). This ship is designed to be as fast and as maneuverable as can be while still maintaining good strength and firepower for its size.

EDIT: Could I get a sample pic of the brig-sloop you're thinking of, Kot?

[Kot]

Seems pretty fine now. So now we wait to see if we can make it.

Spoiler: Actually, it doesn't seem to cover the front really well and doesn't cover the rear at all. I guess the rear is fine, we will be faster than any of the fishing boats anyway, but eh (click to show/hide)

And a cut-through a bit smaller one

[coleslaw35]

Seems pretty fine now. So now we wait to see if we can make it.

Spoiler: Actually, it doesn't seem to cover the front really well and doesn't cover the rear at all. I guess the rear is fine, we will be faster than any of the fishing boats anyway, but eh (click to show/hide)

And a cut-through a bit smaller one

Interesting. Thank you.

As for the protection bit, we could put one cannon at the front.

[Kot]

I guess we could try to put a cannon on aft and bow, possibly able to rotate 180 degrees (AFAIK, they used similar platforms for catapults in castles back in medieval times, it can't be that hard to do the same with a cannon), with only 8 cannons on sides.

[coleslaw35]

I guess we could try to put a cannon on aft and bow, possibly able to rotate 180 degrees (AFAIK, they used similar platforms for catapults in castles back in medieval times, it can't be that hard to do the same with a cannon), with only 8 cannons on sides.

Seems reasonable. Granted we'll have to wait for what everyone else thinks but this sounds pretty good.

Spoiler: London class brig-sloop (click to show/hide)

Named after the great city of London, this class of ship is rather small yet considerably larger than the fishing boats. Fitted with 18 cannons total, with 8 on the left and 8 on the right (cannons farthest in the back are angled slightly backwards, cannons in the far front angled slightly forwards). There is a single cannon at the front and a single cannon at the back, both on 180 degree rotatable wooden platforms. This ship is designed to be as fast and as maneuverable as can be while still maintaining good strength and firepower for its size.

[Aseaheru]

Jeasus, a 18 gun sloop? That seems excessive. What size guns are we talking, six pounders?

 In any event, I support naval development. However, at some point I think we should work on developing a Lindner Carbine or some form of airgun, probably based on the Girardoni air rifle.

 Or, hell, we could try getting the Ferguson rifles dug out of wherever they are being stored.


 Oh, and we may want to arm the sloop mostly with carronades.

-Edit after ninjas-

 I dont think the rigging will allow that that much. We can add in provisions for bow and stern chasers, then let the crews shift the guns as needed.