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[Loud Whispers]

How can you accidentally ethnic cleanse? That's like saying my Dwarvern army came into the town and killed everyone accidentally, or moved them accidentally from one place to another, while half of them died.

Well excluding some syndrome stuff, Mongolian style depopulation where your military campaign is so brutal you literally kill everyone and leave mountains of skulls. Or less severely, Berber raids on coastal towns in the Mediterranean that were so harsh that entire towns were emptied. Or times where a population simply could not sustain the losses involved in defending endlessly against conquest so they became extinct. Think of how a siege could empty an entire city, or how an army using the supplies of locals could leave locals without the food needed to survive winter.

A perfect DF example would be Tholtig's world. In hers, the Dwarves had been at war with the goblins for so long that only a handful were left. By attrition the entire Dwarven race was gradually disappearing, because they simply could not afford the losses the gobin wars had exacted upon them.

[Shonai_Dweller]

How can you accidentally ethnic cleanse? That's like saying my Dwarvern army came into the town and killed everyone accidentally, or moved them accidentally from one place to another, while half of them died.

Well excluding some syndrome stuff, Mongolian style depopulation where your military campaign is so brutal you literally kill everyone and leave mountains of skulls. Or less severely, Berber raids on coastal towns in the Mediterranean that were so harsh that entire towns were emptied. Or times where a population simply could not sustain the losses involved in defending endlessly against conquest so they became extinct. Think of how a siege could empty an entire city, or how an army using the supplies of locals could leave locals without the food needed to survive winter.

A perfect DF example would be Tholtig's world. In hers, the Dwarves had been at war with the goblins for so long that only a handful were left. By attrition the entire Dwarven race was gradually disappearing, because they simply could not afford the losses the gobin wars had exacted upon them.

And...which part of any of that is 'accidental'? It's like claiming I 'accidentally' killed someone because they couldn't cope with the blood loss of my repeated hammer blows.

Goblins repeatedly attacking for centuries until there aren't any Dwarves left is pretty much part of their plan.

[Loud Whispers]

And...which part of any of that is 'accidental'? It's like claiming I 'accidentally' killed someone because they couldn't cope with the blood loss of my repeated hammer blows.
Goblins repeatedly attacking for centuries until there aren't any Dwarves left is pretty much part of their plan.

I just see it as a semantic difference of intent in regards to anachronism in DF

[Urist McVoyager]

I was hoping this was a thread about preparing for the new update and potentially having elven and goblin people dwelling in our fortresses.

Goblin barber. You know you want it. They practice by shearing trolls in preparation for applying to work on Dwarven beards.

[xXDzepniXx]

I was hoping this was a thread about preparing for the new update and potentially having elven and goblin people dwelling in our fortresses.

Goblin barber. You know you want it. They practice by shearing trolls in preparation for applying to work on Dwarven beards.

And let aliens into our fort? Are you mad?

[Loud Whispers]

I was hoping this was a thread about preparing for the new update and potentially having elven and goblin people dwelling in our fortresses.

Goblin barber. You know you want it. They practice by shearing trolls in preparation for applying to work on Dwarven beards.

Beard shaving? How ghastly.

[Shonai_Dweller]

I was hoping this was a thread about preparing for the new update and potentially having elven and goblin people dwelling in our fortresses.

Goblin barber. You know you want it. They practice by shearing trolls in preparation for applying to work on Dwarven beards.

Beard shaving? How ghastly.

Despite the stigma, there is a need for beard shavers in Dwarven society. Of course, those who find themselves in that line of work are discriminated against and tend to be social outcasts. Typical groups of barbers, wig-makers and beard shavers can be found in small hillocks situated on the outskirts of town, or within animal man enclaves.

Recent years have seen increased social flexibility of course, but it's not unheard of for guild masters or families of potential brides to petition the local fortress library for historical records to see if a dwarf is tainted by a family history of 'hair-handling'.

These days, despite the slight increase in fatalities, the hiring of goblins to do the work is becoming popular.

[Bumber]

So ethical values trump survival as an absolute? That way lies death.

You are perhaps not aware that the western allies were prepared to utterly destroy Germany and Japan. If it took dropping A bombs on all of Japan that was in the cards if necessary. Does the west then count as Civilized or not?

No, but you have to imagine such things for dwarves as at the level of human cannibalism. Not everyone would choose it over starvation. (Soylent Green is Goblins!)

Demanding surrender all the while is a far cry from the OP, which reads more like Hitler's final solution to the pointy-eared problem. (Not to mention the nature of the weapon puts the decision for tremendous destruction in the hands of the few.) A better comparison is killing a bunch of civilians because they could be Viet Cong / insurgents. In a Civilized society, that gets you court-martialed.

Don't know enough about the other examples you gave.

[Loud Whispers]

I really want hordes of Elves eating human towns whole

[sirvente]

RESPONSE FROM THE DRUIDIC COUNCIL

Again the madness of the dwarves rears its foul head in what was a fine world. Can any race tolerate this shrieking and cackling about the traditions and superiority of a race who in the grip of their demon god's craft frenzy will render their own kith and kin down into a chair or sword or perhaps some useless gewgaw? In all matters the inferiority complex of the dwarf expresses itself, from their ridiculous bristling at the slightest criticism, their petty grudges and murders from said grudges and their enthusiasm to engage in their horrid building projects where they treat the mass slaughter of their own people in pursuit of some tacky statue as a matter of pride instead of horror. We say now and affirm forever that the dwarves are as a people are second only to one other as a class of anti-nature death cultists, and that other is as to the dwarves as the cave dragons are to those of the land. I proclaim to all that Goblin and Dwarf are kin, born of the poison womb of the underworld and differing only in that goblins are honest in their malevolence.

[Dozebôm Lolumzalìs]

Accurate. Most players are godawful horrible people in DF, though they may be very nice (or appear to be) in the real world....  If I were a dwarf, I'd most likely overthrow the overseer. But not me, I'm actually a pretty nice overseer. They still better do what I want, though...

[xXDzepniXx]

Accurate. Most players are godawful horrible people in DF, though they may be very nice (or appear to be) in the real world....  If I were a dwarf, I'd most likely overthrow the overseer. But not me, I'm actually a pretty nice overseer. They still better do what I want, though...

I'm a nice overseer as well. Nice to my own civilization and kind. Just like Hitler was to the German's and the Czech's, (even though, again, the Czech's ethnic cleansed the German's after WWII).

[xXDzepniXx]

RESPONSE FROM THE DRUIDIC COUNCIL

Again the madness of the dwarves rears its foul head in what was a fine world. Can any race tolerate this shrieking and cackling about the traditions and superiority of a race who in the grip of their demon god's craft frenzy will render their own kith and kin down into a chair or sword or perhaps some useless gewgaw? In all matters the inferiority complex of the dwarf expresses itself, from their ridiculous bristling at the slightest criticism, their petty grudges and murders from said grudges and their enthusiasm to engage in their horrid building projects where they treat the mass slaughter of their own people in pursuit of some tacky statue as a matter of pride instead of horror. We say now and affirm forever that the dwarves are as a people are second only to one other as a class of anti-nature death cultists, and that other is as to the dwarves as the cave dragons are to those of the land. I proclaim to all that Goblin and Dwarf are kin, born of the poison womb of the underworld and differing only in that goblins are honest in their malevolence.

It concerns me, why does the Druidic council speak of our traditions being horrid, while the Elven traditions are cannibalistic, and hate on everyone that destroys trees. No offense (probably will offend you), but your trees are quite worthless, and if I may add, please stop being hypocrites. You cut down your own trees, to sell it. If you portray us Dwarve's as poisoned womb of the underworld, what about you? You too kill, you too do savagery, you too are cruel, as we are. Druidic council is yet again hypocritical. By exterminating you and your kin (Goblin's) we Dwarve's will actually live in a finer world. One overseer destroying all alien's won't mean all Dwarve's are horrible, would just mean there was a horrible time in the era, or the horrible time is the era. From what I see in my books of legends, Elves may be necromancer's, they may be night creatures. Elves are cannibals, Elves destroyed civilization's before, in fact this is happening in our world now. An entire continent is taken over by Elves, and every shred of existence in that continent of Human's, Goblin's, Dwarve's, have been eliminated. Druidic council, say no more, for I will burn your Elven race with magma mist, and torture them so harsh, that public executions would be quite normal, and Elven population in my fortress and other peoples. Would seem worthless. Actually, not seem worthless, they are worthless.

[Urist McVoyager]

Sorry, I still want goblin and elven butchers in my fortresses who can commit sentient-butchery to get rid of the masses of dead sentients in my corpse piles.

[Shonai_Dweller]

Sorry, I still want goblin and elven butchers in my fortresses who can commit sentient-butchery to get rid of the masses of dead sentients in my corpse piles.

Dwarven law applies in Dwarf fortresses. And lacking any real dwarven law, the best we have is ethics. Which state that eating (and butchering) sapients is unthinkable. So, almost certainly aint happening. Unless eradicating all the dwarfs from the fortress can bring about a shift in ethics but I don't suppose that'll be implemented yet.