>Don't claim to speak for all Jewish people
>Immediately starts speaking on behalf of all Jewish people and calling all the rest radicals and extremists because "I don't like their politics"
I'm not erasing anyone, just merely pointing out some absurdities involved with using such a charged slogan for the supposed purpose of peace.
A lot of these people in these protests are friends with someone whose family members are currently being killed so I don't imagine they're going to bend over when the people they're protesting against want to regulate what they're allowed to say or not say. Especially as something as fucking tame as "be free but we said be free = genocide so you support genocide now"
We're not going to build our settlements on the rubble of your house oops we did it again but we won't do it this time oops we did it again on and on ad infinitum
But don't you use a slogan about freedom because that could
insinuate ethnic cleansing
also just look the other way whilst we plan ethnic cleansing cool beans just don't talk about it though because that would hurt our feelings and be emotionally challenging, unlike the ethnic cleansing. I hear that's soothing for the skin or some shit
Israel acknowledged Monday that one of its ministries drafted a wartime proposal to transfer the Gaza Strip’s 2.3 million people to Egypt’s Sinai peninsula, drawing condemnation from the Palestinians and worsening tensions with Cairo.
Actual nazis attacking Jewish protesters = the jewish protestors are fringe and radical, clearly support genocide
Support genocide = yes, clearly the sensible centrist position
By this kind of metric, no one represents anyone. For example, By this metric, I can't say Ukrainians resist Russian invasion because not all actually do. Neither I can say that supporting Russia War Crimes is anti-Ukrainian because some Ukrainians not only support those, they participate in them as willing collaborators.
Only because you run from the position that you can speak on behalf of someone else even when they're telling you they don't support war crimes
If you don't do that, the logic is very simple. When Russia invaded Ukraine, you know how many Russians were on our streets
protesting against Russia? How many Russian-speaking Ukrainians whom Putin was "protecting" died fighting against Russia?
I won't say no one represents anyone. But warlords are the least qualified to make that claim
As much as I would love to say - "they are no longer Ukrainians"... it is not exactly how the reality works.
A group says "I don't support this."
You respond "well by that logic you do support this because some of us support this"
People are unique. Even in any given group there is a plurality of opinions. That's why it's so full of shit when a politician claims they can devastate a nation in the name of any nationLike fuck. Hector posts this poll refuting your claims that Gazans are just born from the womb as genocidal murderers. His poll shows something pretty obvious to anyone with eyes; they're a people who have suffered nothing but loss, siege and displacement again and again. And even after all is said and done, what they want most of all is
to live. That most basic essential desire humans have, to live free from fear and suffering. And whilst Israel's defence minister calls them animals and its government makes plans to cleanse them from what little land they have left so they can re-enact the Imperialism of the 19th century every day for the next one hundred years, the death toll climbs higher, more people lose their homes and their loved ones, and all for what? Another military victory that guarantees decades of endless conflict and death. The palestinian people have no ability to fight. The ability to end this war lies entirely in Israel's hands. Not just the military operation, but the cycle of oppression, annexation and reprisal.
Okay, you kill Hamas. What next? What of the millions of survivors who lost everything to the Israeli military?
And who fills the power vacuum?
What happens next?
What happens when the Israeli government props up another terrorist group in Gaza to terrorise the Palestinians and bomb the Israeli people, just like it did with Hamas? Will anyone hold Netanyahu accountable for supporting Hamas whilst wasting all of Mossad's intelligence resources on protecting West Bank settlers defending Israel's right to burn down your neighbour's olive groves? Are those olive groves hamas HQ too?
People just got tired of the bullshit and the obvious lies. When I went to school, we had people from everywhere, man. Some of my friends, right? One of them, his grandfather was French. The other's was Algerian. Their grandfathers were not just enemies - they were
vicious enemies. And when they saw their grandkids were best friends they broke down in tears and became friends too. We had jewish students too of every stripe; secular, diaspora, sephardi, mizrahi, ashkenazi, jews who observed diligently and jews who ate bacon, and they were all unique people with their own voices and opinions. Real human beans. If you asked them what they thought about this whole shit each of them would have something different to say. And we also had palestinians - who still have, or maybe no longer given recent events, had family in Palestine & Israel. So I'm laughing when I read all this shit about how Palestinians need to be sent to re-education camps or cleansed from the earth like they are some kind of race of rabid zombies; this is just a repeat of the cleaning of native Americans, and how they were portrayed as evolutionary degenerates and scalping barbarians
even as they were cleansed from their land.
Cos mans just want the killing to stop. They don't want people to start shit. They want whatever they want; most of all, they want to be heard and seen so no one can get away for talking about them, they're protesting for an equal value of human lifeThey're protesting to be visible, protesting to stop children dying, to show people love for humanity isn't hatred and Palestinians don't hate them because they're brothersAnd ultimately they'll believe everything and anything in between because there was a lot of people from every stripe and walk of life and no one but them speaks on their behalfSame way the actual nazis being led by Tommy fucking Robinson attacking peace protestors don't represent anyone, even if they claim to represent England, represent Israel or the fucking moonNo wonder Hector just gave up. Because you did some gold olympic level contest of endurance to try and gaslight him into thinking "I want the killing to stop" is a radical position when he was genuinely trying to bridge the gap of understanding