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[Kot]

Making them have actual gameplay effects would...ah, be like having cultural_gfx sprites, portraits, and what-have-you in CK or EU have practical gameplay effects.

Imagine the backslash if they did things like make Africans more fertile, Mongols more cruel, French more cowardly, Poles more GODLY MASTERRACE and gave every Russian an lunatic trait.

[Majestic7]

Pre-FTL humans are Poles since they can not into space.

[Retropunch]

In all honesty, knowing Paradox, it's probably just going to make warmongers more powerful. Like with provincial improvements (monarch points for increase in taxation/trade/military/etc) in EU4. If I remember right, they were designed so that you could build your empire upwards, rather than outwards, giving a bonus to small, anti-expansionist nations. In reality, it just made it so that expansionists have much more potential power.

Yeah I'm not holding my breath. I kinda imagine it'll just be a big ship update with bigger ships and more dakka.

Whilst that's all good to a point, there's many other 4x games that do combat better (SoaSE for example) and the place where this could have really shined is in the political/species interaction stuff as well as internal faction wrangling and stuff. They seem to be going slightly towards that direction, but I don't know if they'll do it enough.

Spies/espionage are a must before it feels complete though - I'm holding off playing until they start getting that sort of thing in. 

[Culise]

New dev diary up

Spoiler: Unity and Traditions (click to show/hide)

Hello everyone and welcome to another Stellaris development diary. Today we'll be talking about a new feature coming in the 1.5 'Banks' update called Traditions and Unity. As before, I can't talk about when Banks will be coming out, only that it's a while away and we have quite a few dev diaries to go through before we get there

Traditions and Unity
One thing we have mentioned as a big priority for Stellaris is adding more empire customization and more ability to roleplay diverse empires. We have also talked about our desire to allow for the existance of 'tall' empires. Traditions and Unity is a feature that aims to tackle both these topics by adding 7 new Tradition trees and a resource called Unity that is used to unlock them. Unity is an accumulative resource that increases each month, and is primarily gained through the construction of government buildings such as monuments, mausoleums and temples. Unity is spent on adopting Tradition trees and purchasing individual Traditions. Each Tradition tree has a starter bonus, five unlockable bonuses and a finisher bonus that is gained once the entire tree is filled out.

The seven Tradition trees are as follows:
Expansion: Focuses on growth through rapid colonization.
Domination: Focuses on maintaining control over your population and subjects.
Prosperity: Focuses on economic growth.
Harmony: Focuses on maintaining a happy and diverse population.
Supremacy: Focuses on growth through military conquest.
Purity: Focuses on strength through homogenity and dominion over other species.
Exploration: Focuses on exploration and scientific discovery.

The cost of unlocking a Tradition depends on the size of your empire, as well as how internally stable it is. Unhappy factions, minority species and slaves all increase the cost of adoption Traditions further, though these effects can be offset or even canceled out entirely by adopting the right Traditions for the empire you intend to build. Overall, small harmonious empires will unlock Traditions more quickly than large, expansionistic ones. Which Traditions you unlock also has a significant impact on the ethics of your population, and so can be a useful tool to either strengthen your existing empire ethics or further a planned empire-wide shift towards a different set of ethics altogether.

You may have noticed a certain part of the Traditions screen that I have not yet mentioned in this dev diary. That's because it's actually the subject of the next dev diary! However, since the Christmas holidays are coming up, most of the Stellaris team will be away, so dev diaries will be on hiatus until January 12th. Tune back in then to find out all about the Ascension Perks and how you can use them to build the empire of your dreams.

[USEC_OFFICER]

My first thought after seeing this dev diary: 'This looks like culture and polices from Civ 5.'

The first post after the dev diary: 'That's a pretty nice Civ 5 feature there.'

Great minds think alike...?

[ZeroGravitas]

Pre-FTL humans are Poles since they can not into space.

but Poland CAN into space. I've done it.

[GiglameshDespair]

Unless there's a huge increase in cost for more planets, that still seems like research where lots of pops can still outscience smaller civs.

[Retropunch]

Link to dev diary:
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/stellaris-dev-diary-55-unity-and-traditions.988693/

[Cruxador]

"Tall" empires are a dumb meme that should have died with Civ V. These specific traditions seem very uninspired. I like the idea of adding more ways to specify the culture (not just government) of your empire, but I don't see anything about this implementation that I like.

My first thought after seeing this dev diary: 'This looks like culture and polices from Civ 5.'

The first post after the dev diary: 'That's a pretty nice Civ 5 feature there.'

Great minds think alike...?

A good mechanic doesn't stop being good just because someone else did it first.

See also: Pretty much every advertised feature in Civ VI.

[Chiefwaffles]

Yeah. While there should be ways for a small empire to not be insta-crushed by larger ones without bought, bigger empire should be unquestionably better. If you want to add ways to keep small empires competitive, elements like espionage and intrigue would go much further.

I still like the culture stuff though. Another way to further develop and customize my empire.

[Retropunch]

Beaten by about 3 hours.

Saw it, but wanted to include the link to the actual post - copy pasting without linking is a personal pet peeve of mine - especially when the original post is so picture heavy.

[Shadowlord]

"Tall" empires? What does that even mean?

[USEC_OFFICER]

Few planets, many productive populations in them, as opposed to 'Wide' where you have many planets but not a lot invested into them. Basically instead of expanding out, you expand up by improving what you already have. Generally building Tall is not as good as building Wide, which is why a lot of recent 4xs are trying to make them more viable. Including more play-styles than just 'conquer everything' is a good idea, you know?

[lordcooper]

Yeah. While there should be ways for a small empire to not be insta-crushed by larger ones without bought, bigger empire should be unquestionably better.

Wasn't the Soviet Union the second widest empire in all of recorded history?

[Chiefwaffles]

My point remains.