Print

Please login or register.
1 Hour 1 Day 1 Week 1 Month Forever
Login with username, password and session length

[Kot]

I get the impression that APHE just works differently in this world to real life. So as i trust Sensei to not give us something that can't be countered, you can probably get away with designing "an armour mod designed to negate APHE rounds" instead of something specific, and he'll give you the counter.

I wonder what he would come up with.
Unobtanium armor?
EDIT:
Also, haha, I almost did the same thing.
Right now I'm digging through simulation games to get some knowledge maybe, dunno if that would be reliable.

[Kashyyk]

So far we have all had the bonus of hindsight in knowing which designs are good counters to other designs. This is the first time we don't have hindsight and you're in the same position the designers were in real life. However you don't have tbf ability to test designs before committing them, only a GM whom you can ask questions of.

[Kot]

only a GM whom you can ask questions of.

I'll rather continue digging, thank you.
Also, damn, Steel Panthers don't have any mentions of LGs. Fuck, I thought that Steel Panthers have it, considering all those weird guns they have and completly historical values.

Maybe the designers had the same problem? No info on LG?

[10ebbor10]

Have you tried digging up info on the cannon from which the LG borrowed it's round?

I mean, if that only barely penetrates armor (and it will, it was outdated) then it's clear the LG couldn't do anything at all.

[Kot]

Have you tried digging up info on the cannon from which the LG borrowed it's round?

I mean, if that only barely penetrates armor (and it will, it was outdated) then it's clear the LG couldn't do anything at all.

Yes. It didin't go well, but I'll try that too after all my ideas to find LG 40 fail.
BUT BUT I HAVE FOUND LG 40 IN OTHER VERSION OF STEEL PANTHERS!
But shitty game values, so...
Both versions have 0 in AP, with the bigger one having 10 instead of 5 in HEAT.
Dunno what that means really, except that it's AP is actually nonexistant. I'll continue searching.

[Sheb]

Well:

This gun used HE shells from the 7.5 cm Gebirgsgeschütz (Mountain Gun) 36 and the anti-tank shell of the 7.5 cm Feldkanone 16, neuer Art (Field Cannon, New Model).

The 7.5 cm GebG 36 fired a wide variety of ammunition, with the notable exception of a conventional armor-piercing shell. It used instead a unique hollow-charge armor-piercing shell

[Kot]

Well:

This gun used HE shells from the 7.5 cm Gebirgsgeschütz (Mountain Gun) 36 and the anti-tank shell of the 7.5 cm Feldkanone 16, neuer Art (Field Cannon, New Model).

The 7.5 cm GebG 36 fired a wide variety of ammunition, with the notable exception of a conventional armor-piercing shell. It used instead a unique hollow-charge armor-piercing shell

It used HE from GebG 36, but the AP from 7.5 cm Feldkanone 16 Na, so I don't really know what you're trying to say here.

[Sheb]

I can't fin penetration data from the 7.5 cm Feldkanone 16 Na though. Even so, it has twice the muzzle velocity of a RR.

[Kot]

I couldn't too.
Also, I have checked Men Of War for some info, the LG 40 actually appears, but only with HEAT (which seems to be indeed around 50mm of penetration, but can't really tell because I'm using GSM mod and it disables any way of checking the actual penetration values easily, without testing them on tanks of course (50mm got penetrated, 60mm didin't EDIT: All point-blank range ofc, but heat doesn't lose much of penetration over distance, rather loses it quickly when used against sloped and spaced armor) and HE.

Another dead end... or the AP actually was so shitty that nobody used it.

EDIT:
Eh, I have no ideas anymore really. I asked a question in thread about German Wunderwaffen so our armchair generals can prove their intelligence, and if that fails I'm proably going to invite more people and ask over some other forums. I suppose it exists somewhere in German internets. If that fails, the penetration values should still exist somewhere, but you would have to have access to actual documents rather than to internets proably.

If that fails, I will be conviced that AP and APHE in FG 40 is bullshit.

[Sheb]

Now, looking at the british QF-6, which has the same calibre as the Hippo (2.2 inches), can penetrate 85 mm of 30° angled armor according to Wikipedia... With a muzzle velocity of 853 m/s.

If penetration is proportional to energy, and the Hippo got the velocity of the M18 (same calibre) or 365 m/s, their Hippo should penetrate about 15 mm of angled armor at 100m.

[Taricus]

I think the ice giants might be thawing

[andrea]

on the other hand our angled armor is the thicker front armor.
As an infantry weapon, I assume they aren't sitting in front of the tank, firind head on. they likely aim at flanks, like we do with RPG.

[Sheb]

At this point, it's less ranting and more enjoying the search for obscure information. :p

[Kot]

I think the ice giants might be thawing

Water giants? That might prove to be a bit harder nut to crack than ice giants, since we can't really shoot those to pieces. I'm sure we will find out something anyway.

Now, looking at the british QF-6, which has the same calibre as the Hippo (2.2 inches), can penetrate 85 mm of 30° angled armor according to Wikipedia... With a muzzle velocity of 853 m/s.

If penetration is proportional to energy, and the Hippo got the velocity of the M18 (same calibre) or 365 m/s, their Hippo should penetrate about 15 mm of angled armor at 100m.

It should be noted that M18 has exceptionally high muzzle velocity for a 1945 (designed in 1942 though) recoiless gun and British didin't use APHE (which is lighter and has different (worse) penetrating capabilities).

At this point, it's less ranting and more enjoying the search for obscure information. :p

Research is a joyful activity.

[Andres]

It's good to see that salt has been replaced by nerds doing research. /jk