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[Taricus]

Do you not see glorious Moskurg's resources, we have overwhelming national pride!

[Andres]

Yeah, but what's with that? I don't look at the other team's thread so I have absolutely no idea. What did you even do in your Revise phase?

[Taricus]

If you're not looking, we're not telling

[Aseaheru]

We cant look. Its the rules.

Well, at the least we cant look at anything current. I think we can look at your old stuff.

[Happerry]

You can look, you just can't metagame. After all, if you couldn't look how could we order our spies to fit your funtime tanks with the same leaky seals that kept setting our train people on fire?

[Andres]

You can look, you just can't metagame. After all, if you couldn't look how could we order our spies to fit your funtime tanks with the same leaky seals that kept setting our train people on fire?

Wait, is that why our tanks get up to 50 degrees Celsius? But anyway, I didn't look at your thread when I ordered our spy to ruin your train. To be honest, it was just dumb luck. I ordered the spy to sabotage your already existing trains so they wouldn't be able to supply your troops, but the GM interpreted it as sabotage their upcoming train project. I honestly had no idea you were developing a new train. You can imagine how giddy I was with the results, though.

[Taricus]

Yeah, but I knew it was you calling those shots with the spies. Said spy wasn't that... subtle.

[Andres]

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Glory to Arstotzka.

[Iituem]

What did you even do in your Revise phase?

Hookers and blow, primarily.

[10ebbor10]

You can look, you just can't metagame. After all, if you couldn't look how could we order our spies to fit your funtime tanks with the same leaky seals that kept setting our train people on fire?

Wait, is that why our tanks get up to 50 degrees Celsius? But anyway, I didn't look at your thread when I ordered our spy to ruin your train. To be honest, it was just dumb luck. I ordered the spy to sabotage your already existing trains so they wouldn't be able to supply your troops, but the GM interpreted it as sabotage their upcoming train project. I honestly had no idea you were developing a new train. You can imagine how giddy I was with the results, though.

Yup, 50 degreesCelsius seems to be the expected result when you put a big metal box over a railway locomotive.

[10ebbor10]

Spoiler: Anyway, an overview (click to show/hide)

Artztotska :

1910 :

- Development : AS-1910 Machine Gun
- Revision : Mosin Single

1911 :

- Development : Mortar [Broken]
- Revision : Fixing the Mortar

1912 :

- Development : Artillery [Broken]
- Revision : Nosin Magant cheaper

1913 :

- Development : Uniform
- Revision : Fixing the artillery

1914 :

- Development : Carabine [Slightly Broken]
- Revision : Steam Engine upgrade

1915 :

- Development : Steam Tank [Slightly Broken]
- Revision : Machine gun revision

Spoiler: Moksburg (click to show/hide)

1910 :

- Development : Stalion
- Revision : Steam engine revision [Broken]

1911 :

- Development : Bombardier
- Revision : Fixing the Steam engine

1912 :

- Development : Flamethrower [Broken ]
- Revision : Upgraded Horsekiller

1913 :

- Development : Rifle
- Revision : Upgrading the Stallion

1914 :

- Development : Brumby
- Revision : Revise uniform

1915 :

- Development : Armored Car [Broken]
- Revision : Fix the Amored Car

Spoiler: Notes (click to show/hide)

So, the differences.

We each spend 2 actions fixing stuff that didn't work.

Arztostka had 1 more design failure, though they were less bad as those of Moksburg.

We both got the same result for our uniforms, with the exception that Moksburg used a revision.

Arztotska spend 2 designs and 1 revision on Infantry weaponry.  Moksburg got better results with 1 design action and 1 revision, despite having less pre-existing experience.

Moksburg got much better results on their machine gun revision than we did on ours.


Design Comparison :

-Nosin-Magant  vs  Model 1 Service Rifle

About equal in performance, though not equal in development cost. It cost Arztotska 2 revisions to get this working, even though we were working on a pre-existing design and already had magazine technology. Moksburg utilized 1 design action, but using that developed magazine tech and lever action.

- Horsekiller 1912 and Horsekiller Carabine

No Arztoskan equivalent. In general, inferior to the Nosin, except for purposes of firepower.

- AS-1909 vs Five-Shooter:

Neither side has any real advantage here, as these are starting designs. The Moksburg thing is inaccurate, the Arztoskan design doesn't work.

-AS-1910 Machine Gun and Machine fed variant versus Brumby.

In general, the Brumby is superior, being significantly more mobile, though a bit  more expensive.

- Sawed-off Shotgun vs Sawed-off Shotgun:

Innovative Arztotskan design stolen by Moksburgian time travelers.

-Scimitar

No equivalent. Not important.

-M1 Stallion:

No equivalent. Heavy Moksburgian machine gun

 -AS-1912 Artillery vs Bombardier

The Arztotskan artillery has, as artillery befits, a greater firerate and range. The bombardier's larger caliber means that it's slighty more destructive/

 -AS-1911 8cm Mortar and AS-F14

No equivalent

- AS-51 S vs Model 52 Steam Engine

One uses oil, the other steam. Both are pretty much equivalent, though the AS-51S is armored.

- Struunk I vs AS-T15

One is an armored car, the other an armored train freed from it's railway. In general, the AS-T15 is a bit of a one trick pony, whereas the Struunk I is more versatile.

[Parsely]

^^That's great! Thanks a lot for putting that together, Ebbor.

Only if you tremendously overinterpret their posts.

I don't see anyone else but you complaining.

Your gun fires a simple metal bullet. It's not going to hurt the track.

My gramps tested tanks at Yuma proving grounds back in the day. When I asked him if you could disable a tank's treads with gunfire, he said it didn't take much to cause a track to twist and come off (a dent, a small cut, but it wouldn't just fly off right away, it would take a minute or ten of driving for it to tear itself apart; they spent a lot of timing fixing them in the shop, he said). To be clear, he said that yes, you could disable a tank's treads with a large caliber rifle if you aimed at the caterpillar.

[10ebbor10]

My gramps tested tanks at Yuma proving grounds back in the day. When I asked him if you could disable a tank's treads with gunfire, he said it didn't take much to cause a track to twist and come off (a dent, a small cut, but it wouldn't just fly off right away, it would take a minute or ten of driving for it to tear itself apart; they spent a lot of timing fixing them in the shop, he said). To be clear, he said that yes, you could disable a tank's treads with a large caliber rifle if you aimed at the caterpillar.

Not really a problem then. The crew's unconscious by minute 5.

[Parsely]

Sorry, what? Why would the tread coming apart render the crew unconscious?

[10ebbor10]

The tread coming apart doesn't render the crew unconscious. The hostile environement inside the tank (coal fire, 50 degrees, cramped) does.