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[The13thRonin]

The map is meant to represent the world at ~2050 after the steady decline of North American power. Still only a rough copy. Any thoughts as to what countries I should break up or if I should switch countries to different alliances, etc?

PS - there was a couple of questions as to why the Ukraine and Moldova were in the Russian sphere. They were military conquests not diplomatic additions.

Sorry for the poor quality... The original image is 4000 pixels wide so I reduced it using Imgur so you guys wouldn't have to scroll around.



The alliances or mega-nations are the:

• Union of South American Nations (USAN)
• Confederation of American and Caribbean Nations (CACN)
• United States of Northern America and Israel (USNAI)
• People's Republics of China and Korea (PRCK)
• The Second Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR)
• The European Union (EU)
• The Islamic League of Nations (ILN)
• The Greater Indian Empire (GIE)
• The Association of South-East Asian Nations (ASEAN)
• The South and Central African League (SCAL)
• The Oceanic Union (OU)

[NJW2000]

Dude, you're clearly uniformed or high.

New Zealand and Australia would never "Unite", whatever happened. Just not happpening. Damn koalas Aussies.

Like the bit about Israel, though.

Also, the world isn't that shape, it's more like a flower, or a lotus seen through a glass ball... people need to stop smoking random shit and posting on these forums...

[Neonivek]

I believe this is a map of Shadowrun

Also without any other positive comments NJW2000 someone will take your comment as honest rather then a joke.

[Orange Wizard]

I'm pretty sure it's just a poor map projection.

[NJW2000]

I believe this is a map of Shadowrun

Also without any other positive comments NJW2000 someone will take your comment as honest rather then a joke.

Fixed, with an honest comment somebody will take offense at.

[WealthyRadish]

Malaysia's partially in both the Islamic League and the SE Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere. Northern Borneo and the Malay Peninsula are both part of Malaysia.

Vietnam is communist, unless you mean for them not to be. Keep in mind that they wouldn't be in China's power bloc, they'd be with the Soviet Union.

If it's the "second" USSR, I doubt Ukraine would be in it (though Belarus probably would, so that's fine). Mongolia would probably be in China's bloc, even though they were historically with the USSR.

[The13thRonin]

Malaysia's partially in both the Islamic League and the SE Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere. Northern Borneo and the Malay Peninsula are both part of Malaysia.

Thanks, good feedback.

Vietnam is communist, unless you mean for them not to be. Keep in mind that they wouldn't be in China's power bloc, they'd be with the Soviet Union.

Vietnam might be politically Communist (even if in reality they're not a practicing Communist country) but I can't see them ever aligning themselves with China after all the conflict over the South-China Sea so I theorize that with the major powers of the world becoming increasingly imperialistic Vietnam might align itself with its South-Eastern neighbors purely out of pragmatism.

If it's the "second" USSR, I doubt Ukraine would be in it (though Belarus probably would, so that's fine). Mongolia would probably be in China's bloc, even though they were historically with the USSR.

Interesting comment on Mongolia, I think I will move them into China's block. Back-story goes that after a decade Russia continued its push into the Ukraine and seized West Ukraine. It also launched into Moldova to 'liberate' the pro-Russian groups there while striking down into Georgia and Armenia. The European Union mobilized after this with many European countries that were previously neutral joining the union out of fear and this stopped any further Russian advances.

EDIT: I moved Mongolia to China's sphere and corrected Malaysia to be in the South East Asian sphere while leaving Brunei in the Islamic sphere, much thanks!

I was thinking of splitting the Sunni/Shiite Muslim countries into two different alliances but that kind of leaves the Shiite alliance a lot weaker than the Sunni one...

[sambojin]

The idea of an Oceanic Union is a bit weird though. Unless Australia gets a massive population boost, the area is just too poor economically to be considered a mega nation. And since that population will probably come from Chinese ex-pats and disaster immigrants from drowned island nations, it changes things even more-so.

There is a fair bit of the "semi-protectorate" status going on throughout the area though.

I guess you could do it as a low-pop/high-tech, very resource rich area (which it essentially is these days), perhaps with technology having spread more thoroughly to the island nations, as well as nuclear power having finally been deployed wholesale. Or just a have/have-nots, with drowned countries and immigration providing some conflict in the area. Maybe a mixture of high-tek communities with nuclear wastelands from a few oopsies or something.

For defense purposes, it's never really been Aus or NZ's playground anyway. A union of sorts, but of two minnows in a sea full of big fish.

What sort of technology will be in the game? Super advanced/revolutionary, or just a slow plodding along the curve from what we have now? Did climate change effect much (especially the pacific island nations)?

I'd look at the OU more as a mini-mega-nation. Australia and NZ being the powerhouses, but not necessarily politically aligned. Perhaps one went China or SEA, the other went US, so it's more of a geographical region and an ideological battlefield, rather than a nation per-say. With the wrecked island nations being a stumbling block between the two, as well as political ideologies and alliances (and the strength and changing of them) providing more fuel to the fire.

Kind of what it is today, but no-one has really made their choices fully yet. In the future, who knows?

[The13thRonin]

The idea of an Oceanic Union is a bit weird though. Unless Australia gets a massive population boost, the area is just too poor economically to be considered a mega nation. And since that population will probably come from Chinese ex-pats and disaster immigrants from drowned island nations, it changes things even more-so.

There is a fair bit of the "semi-protectorate" status going on throughout the area though.

I guess you could do it as a low-pop/high-tech, very resource rich area (which it essentially is these days), perhaps with technology having spread more thoroughly to the island nations, as well as nuclear power having finally been deployed wholesale. Maybe a mixture of high-tek communities with nuclear wastelands from a few oopsies or something.

What sort of technology will be in the game? Super advanced/revolutionary, or just a slow plodding along the curve from what we have now? Did climate change effect much (especially the pacific island nations)?

I'd look at the OU more as a mini-mega-nation. Australia and NZ being the powerhouses, but not necessarily politically aligned. Perhaps one went China or SEA, the other went US, so it's more of a geographical region and an ideological battlefield, rather than a nation per-say.

Kind of what it is today, but no-one has really made their choices fully yet. In the future, who knows?

This is how I envisioned it as well, as a kind of dysfunctional ad-hoc alliance of minor nations to try to prevent the larger alliances up North from gobbling up territory (sounds like the European Union when you put it like that ).

The world hasn't been decimated by war or severely effected by climate change yet.

I'm putting together my idea of the 'factions' at play in the world so I have something to build a story off.

In this timeline America becomes a full-blown plutocracy run by banks and mega-corporations by 2050 and turns its interests almost entirely inwards.

I was actually inspired before by one of my other friends to make this timeline into some kind of wacky galactic civilizations III alpha centauri type mod... I may actually try that, haha.

[WealthyRadish]

On second thought, the Sino-Vietnamese split has mostly blown over after the USSR's collapse, I doubt they'd go over to a resurgent USSR. They're more closely following Chinese communism now. If the USSR did reappear (a tall order, it'd be like Germany ever putting Reich back in their name), I think being even nominally communist would start to mean something again, and they wouldn't be as cozy with the rest of SE Asia.

I'd also note that a lot of these areas would probably be independent, not a part of any bloc. Iran would probably never join a Sunni dominated Islamic League, for example, and India prided itself on its neutrality during the cold war (RIP Yugo, o7).

I'd also like to make a joke about Israel still existing in a world without US international influence, but I've gone on about Israel enough in the past.

[The13thRonin]

On second thought, the Sino-Vietnamese split has mostly blown over after the USSR's collapse, I doubt they'd go over to a resurgent USSR. They're more closely following Chinese communism now. If the USSR did reappear (a tall order, it'd be like Germany ever putting Reich back in their name), I think being even nominally communist would start to mean something again, and they wouldn't be as cozy with the rest of SE Asia.

I'd also note that a lot of these areas would probably be independent, not a part of any bloc. Iran would probably never join a Sunni dominated Islamic League, for example, and India prided itself on its neutrality during the cold war (RIP Yugo, o7).

I'd also like to make a joke about Israel still existing in a world without US international influence, but I've gone on about Israel enough in the past.

In this timeline Israel actually joined the USA as a fully fledged state after their power started declining. So they still have limited protection and their own nuclear arsenal to keep them safe.

Independent areas don't really fit into the theme of the game... I mean... Most people wouldn't choose to play as Switzerland in a game of Axis and Allies, you know what I'm saying ? As with all games the setting requires some abstraction and suspension of disbelief.

[Sergarr]

In this timeline America becomes a full-blown plutocracy run by banks and mega-corporations by 2050 and turns its interests almost entirely inwards.

I... don't think these two statements are compatible.

[sambojin]

It's not as though it's entirely implausible. America has gone through protectionist phases before (most countries have).

The rise of mega nations, balance of trade and power, defense commitments and alliances (yours and other's), and new technologies could all make this possible.

If you can't call the shots, or want nothing to do with where the shots are being fired, sometimes looking inward seems a reasonable option. Especially if there are concerns at home stifling economic gains and growth more than a global strategy can sustain. Shifts in culture and technology may also make this so.

[Sergarr]

Look, you either have a globalist economy with banks and mega-corps, or you can have inward economies without them. Both of these cannot exist at the same time pretty much by definition. It's both common sense (globalism = efficiency = bigger profits) and genre conventions (Shadowrun), you cannot escape those.

[The13thRonin]

Look, you either have a globalist economy with banks and mega-corps, or you can have inward economies without them. Both of these cannot exist at the same time pretty much by definition. It's both common sense (globalism = efficiency = bigger profits) and genre conventions (Shadowrun), you cannot escape those.

You can't have banking without globalism?

You better borrow my time machine so you can go back and tell all those bankers in Assyria and Babylon that they're doing it wrong.

You know... The guys who INVENTED banking...

Yeah...

Those guys .