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Author Topic: Weep holes method to dig through an aquifer  (Read 4028 times)

MetalRocks

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Weep holes method to dig through an aquifer
« on: April 02, 2015, 08:57:09 am »

While working on my 3x3 double slit method (which is also possible though a bit slower than the standard 2x4) I found a much faster method than the double slit at the cost of an extra screw pump in the lowest aquifer level. I could not find anything similar in the forums so I made a step by step tutorial that you can find here. I won't post the "3x3 double slit method" because this method rendered it obsolete.

I will call it the "weep holes" method. Although similar in concept to the double slit method, this system has some major differences: It allows the construction of 3x3 staircases (or 3x4), it avoids the problem of job cancellations except in the two lower aquifer lever (which makes it a good choice for multiple aquifer layers), in the lowest aquifer level it uses two pumps instead of one and it is much faster (I went through 3 layers of aquifer in 1 month and 3 weeks).

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Re: Weep holes method to dig through an aquifer
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2015, 11:14:38 am »

I'll check this out later.

I've been using the pump stack method after I've done the double slit method with success.

edit: pump stack piercing found here: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=144099.msg5685178#msg5685178

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« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2015, 11:40:08 am »

I'll check this out later.

I've been using the pump stack method after I've done the double slit method with success.

edit: pump stack piercing found here: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=144099.msg5685178#msg5685178
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Re: Weep holes method to dig through an aquifer
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2015, 01:08:28 pm »

I always hated being restricted to 2x2 stairways through the aquifer, this looks interesting.
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Re: Weep holes method to dig through an aquifer
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2015, 01:39:22 pm »

I always hated being restricted to 2x2 stairways through the aquifer, this looks interesting.
Me too, because I use 3x3 staircases for almost everything.

Note: Due to an edition problem in the tutorial (the pictures were correct, but not the design of the PDF), and somewhere where I wrote ramps instead of stairs I have replaced the original file. If anybody finds any inconsistency please let me know.
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Re: Weep holes method to dig through an aquifer
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2015, 05:29:05 am »

As a minor note of curiosity, why constructed blocks over raw? I would've thought they were identical

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Re: Weep holes method to dig through an aquifer
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2015, 05:48:05 am »

As a minor note of curiosity, why constructed blocks over raw? I would've thought they were identical
If you mean the walls from blocks rather than raw stone - hauling of blocks is way faster compared to stone.
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« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2015, 06:05:26 am »

I always hated being restricted to 2x2 stairways through the aquifer, this looks interesting.

You aren't. You can go as large as you like with the cave-in method. Which also does not require you to bring any wood/stone apart from the resources to make a single pump.
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« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2015, 07:17:14 am »

I always hated being restricted to 2x2 stairways through the aquifer, this looks interesting.

You aren't. You can go as large as you like with the cave-in method. Which also does not require you to bring any wood/stone apart from the resources to make a single pump.
Exactly, blocks weight 6% of an stone. And you get 4 blocks from each stone. This is important because in aquifer biomes you might have only sand and no stones.

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You aren't. You can go as large as you like with the cave-in method. Which also does not require you to bring any wood/stone apart from the resources to make a single pump.
I have never tried it, but the wiki says that "there is a bug that may prevent [the cave-in] method from working, collapsed layers may turn into the aquifer layer type that was dug out at that level."
« Last Edit: April 03, 2015, 07:18:52 am by MetalRocks »
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Re: Weep holes method to dig through an aquifer
« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2015, 08:43:13 am »

I always hated being restricted to 2x2 stairways through the aquifer, this looks interesting.

You aren't. You can go as large as you like with the cave-in method. Which also does not require you to bring any wood/stone apart from the resources to make a single pump.
Exactly, blocks weight 6% of an stone. And you get 4 blocks from each stone. This is important because in aquifer biomes you might have only sand and no stones.

If you need quantity, I recommend bringing bituminous coal. It is as cheap as ordinary stone, but if you smelt it you get 9 bricks of coke in return. Subtract the one brick you need to smelt the thing and you are still left with twice as much building material than if you were to cut a boulder into blocks.
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Re: Weep holes method to dig through an aquifer
« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2015, 08:54:06 am »

I always hated being restricted to 2x2 stairways through the aquifer, this looks interesting.

You aren't. You can go as large as you like with the cave-in method. Which also does not require you to bring any wood/stone apart from the resources to make a single pump.

There limitation to cave-in, and they depend on the scenario.  Definitely my last choice when in a terrifying biome.

I haven't tried cave-in with 2 layer soil on 6 layer aquifer.  It's probably possible to drop a large enough ring.

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« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2015, 09:46:42 am »

I always hated being restricted to 2x2 stairways through the aquifer, this looks interesting.

You aren't. You can go as large as you like with the cave-in method. Which also does not require you to bring any wood/stone apart from the resources to make a single pump.

There limitation to cave-in, and they depend on the scenario.  Definitely my last choice when in a terrifying biome.

I haven't tried cave-in with 2 layer soil on 6 layer aquifer.  It's probably possible to drop a large enough ring.

Well I've been using a modified cave-in method in terrifying biomes which does not require breaching the surface. All I need is two soil layers above the aquifer, and can breach any number of levels.

[edit: 1 layer of soil above aquifer and 1 layer of anything above that, to be precise]
« Last Edit: April 03, 2015, 09:55:26 am by k9wazere »
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Re: Weep holes method to dig through an aquifer
« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2015, 10:58:18 am »

If you need quantity, I recommend bringing bituminous coal. It is as cheap as ordinary stone, but if you smelt it you get 9 bricks of coke in return. Subtract the one brick you need to smelt the thing and you are still left with twice as much building material than if you were to cut a boulder into blocks.
Practical and efficient.
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Re: Weep holes method to dig through an aquifer
« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2015, 11:44:41 am »

I always hated being restricted to 2x2 stairways through the aquifer, this looks interesting.

You aren't. You can go as large as you like with the cave-in method. Which also does not require you to bring any wood/stone apart from the resources to make a single pump.

Oh, I know. I even dug a 20x20 hole through a 3 z aquifer once (lots of pumps!), but a 3x4 that is just as easy as a double slit? That is worth it's weight in gold.
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Re: Weep holes method to dig through an aquifer
« Reply #14 on: April 03, 2015, 01:07:40 pm »

I just recently had to go through an aquifer, but it was in a frozen biome. Ez Pz, so long as you are excruciatingly careful not to freeze any dwarves solid.
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