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Voting closed: March 13, 2015, 03:14:20 pm

[Max™]

I'll note that the super rare caste thing works great, the male angels are way too nasty to bump into regularly in my world but setting em to be 1 in 5000 works great.

[CaptainMcClellan]

I'll note that the super rare caste thing works great, the male angels are way too nasty to bump into regularly in my world but setting em to be 1 in 5000 works great.

Oooo... cool.

Hey Max, you've mentioned your angels a lot, are you wanting them in DGIII or are you just bragging about the awesome thing you made?

Less snarky question: Would you be willing to collab with me on my modding? ( It helps to have people who know more than you and all... plus then I might actually get some homework done in between working on it. )

[TheFlame52]

Anyone got ideas for spells that work and won't cause the wizard to kill himself when controlled by the AI? So far all I have is a resurrect interaction that only works on dwarves and the ability to throw slade balls.

[CaptainMcClellan]

Anyone got ideas for spells that work and won't cause the wizard to kill himself when controlled by the AI? So far all I have is a resurrect interaction that only works on dwarves and the ability to throw slade balls.

Possibly a paralysis spell in form of a breath attack. You'd just have to make sure the wizard is immune to it or that won't be ultimately useful. Anyone have insight into how to properly affect this.

[Max™]

I'll note that the super rare caste thing works great, the male angels are way too nasty to bump into regularly in my world but setting em to be 1 in 5000 works great.

Oooo... cool.

Hey Max, you've mentioned your angels a lot, are you wanting them in DGIII or are you just bragging about the awesome thing you made?

Less snarky question: Would you be willing to collab with me on my modding? ( It helps to have people who know more than you and all... plus then I might actually get some homework done in between working on it. )

They're my first successfully integrated entity and creature and they're freaking terrifying in person so I'd be happy to help you test out and balance something which will provide a fun story to read.

Plus stuff like making sure the voidspawn wear armor when they show up, though that isn't too hard, mostly just stuff like getting them where you really have to throw a good number of well geared dorfs at em and never just steam roll them left and right as that is the sense I get they were originally built towards.

So yeah, chuck some raws at me and I'll check for the good and bad kind of broken stuff, and I can see how they survive nasty world-gen settings+try them out directly as an adventurer to make sure they work all around. Weird bugs pop up that you wouldn't notice in fort mode, like if you had a creature that could only grapple while holding a weapon, how would you notice?

[Lolfail0009]

Wait, this thread actually gets used?
PTW I guess

[CaptainMcClellan]

Wait, this thread actually gets used?
PTW I guess

Yep. As of today I'm migrating all DG:III discussion here. Starting with some quotes from recent events on the MurderMachines thread:

Spoiler: The Recent Happenings (click to show/hide)

I want the save after my turn at Slaughterhelm is over.

So are we going to start it or not? I have all my mods ready, does anyone else have something they want to include?

I think voting has a few more days, but besides that I haven't had a chance to finish my mods or generally do anything. I was out of town visiting family for my birthday and now that I'm back, I'm catching up on the homework I didn't do for that and other reasons. In addition, I was hoping to get the MurderMachines done first, but towards the interests of getting Slaughterhelm up and going, I'm going to focus on the mods first. ( Especially considering that MurderMachines might want to eat my time. )

There is no word 'heim' and I'm not going to the trouble of modding it in. Slaughterhelm it is.

If you guys really want, I could add in "heim". It's not like we're talking creature modding here, which takes some time. It's just "find the language file, pop in 2-3 lines for the new word, save, done." Speaking of creature modding, how does one code in attacks? ( I think I've got the basics down for all the creatures I intend to add, just have to puzzle out the entities and make some bodyplan mods, as well as get the materials specked. )

EDIT: If Toady's next update can reasonably be expected "soonish" ( <=2 months ) would anyone want to wait for that? The dancing stuff looks like it could be interesting, plus that gives us more time to set up. If not, I'll try to be ready to roll by week's end. If I'm not, I guess we go ahead and spawn a world.

So what custom world gen values should we use?

Fun world values: add a 0 to megabeast/titan/vampire/werebeast/demon counts, don't put too many layers between uh, 3 and 4 I think, while it does give big freaky tall candy spires when you do, it takes forever to get down to hell and such like that, and as big a fan of vertical forts as I am, going down through a 150+ z level world-gen ramp spiral as an adventurer is a nightmare.

Put elevation variation up and you get an interesting mix of landforms which let you have fun neighbors adjacent to each other, don't set cavern openness too low and passage density too high, it's just annoying and cluttered looking, unless you like densely packed cavern tunnels I suppose?

Some people like big huge worlds, but in fort mode it means enemies will have to travel forever to reach you, even on a 65x65 world it took four years for my first real siege, though part of that could be due to the goblin civs in the central area of the map being at war with each other, so only the far northeast civ attacked me normally.

A 65x65 is big enough for a surprising amount of variety, history, and civs can spread out enough to get established and then start really grinding each other into paste happily, plus it's a good size for adventuring on, you can travel across the map in a reasonable amount of time if you really try, or you can spend literal years in-game exploring everything. Turn all the rejection values at the end of the advanced settings off or you might miss some interesting results. Play with the good/evil square values some if you're after a certain mix, but even with the default values in a 65x65 you will end up with occasional maps that are packed with evil or with an island of good biomes and wilderness/evil all around them.

Don't set good too low or you won't get dorfs readily, don't set max elevation too low for the same reason, I like elevation variation 3200x3200 because it gives chunks of mountains instead of big bands or half the map being blocked off and dead. Toss in a few mountain peaks for the fun of discovering them, a similar number for volcano minimum for the fun therein, go for a north or south pole rather than both so you can have a desert at one end and ice at the other, and if you want it on a desert sea try to set it to one or two partial edge oceans to give a better chance of finding the sort of site you're after.

Also, to Max. What unit of force are the stress calculations in? I'm reading the Wiki, but I can't seem to find it. ( Uranium is about halfway done, I just need these values and to convert the molar mass. )

Oh god I think it's kilopascals isn't it? I don't tweak the materials too much, just slapped together parts to make a denser candy/steel mix.

kiloPascals? I can do that, the measures on the Wikipedia are in MegaPascals and GigaPascals. ( Though, to be honest, I'm not sure if I should use GigaPascals, seems like it'd be too big. After all, a MegaPascal would already be kiloPascal², so a GigaPascal would be like kPa⁴, which seems as though it'd be a larger number than used in the game and RAWs. ) Know any modding people to ask and do you know if you just input molar mass as is or do things to it first?

It just occurred to me that we have a golden opportunity for all new levels of insidious traps, such as gassing our foes with radioactive gas, or submerging our enemies in a flow of radioactive water... I must make haste and read the wiki faster in order to realize this nefariousness!

EDIT: Some preference quesitons:

• Deadly radioactive Plutonium: Dust or steam?
  
• DRP: Self-detonating? ( as IRL Plutonium is apt to do in some scenarios, especially when made uncleanly... )
  
  • Hafnium, Silver alloy, Xenotime (Ytterbium ore, as refining is unnecessary and possibly even detrimental) or Cobalt control rods? ( Or all three? ) If so, what alloys of silver? ( Hafnium can be used by itself or in conjunction with tin and other materials to create very effective control rods, not that this will probably matter for sake of my mod, also Hafnium, do to its natural scarcity will probably be achieved alchemaically through !!MAGIC!! !!ARCANE SCIENCE!!^* )
  • Thorium, Tungsten, Uranium, or [other] excitation rods? ( Or no excitations rods as all as they are a most dangerous product of !!SCIENCE!! IRL, excitations and fission would more likely be provoked with a concentrated alpha emitter, ie these things or other moderately to highly radioactive elements in high concentration, surrounded by a block of lead that has one miniscule aperture facing the fuel which would be either U₂₃₅ or P₂₃₉, but such a fine level of distinction is totally unnecessary as, in game mechanics, it's functionally identical- everything being handled by a complex RAW reaction object.)
  • Any language file modifications we want to add?
  • How prevalent do we want the domovye to be?
  • How "advanced" do we want the domovye to be? Entity level, exotic_pet with adopts_owner, or benign wild animal?
  • An interaction in which a dwarf may become a domovoi. ( Because the beard is strong with them both. )
  • Ents - yay/nay?
  • If Ents, then Ent civilization? ( Or are elves enough?)
  • Should I still include Reapers ( when finished ) or scrap the idea and work on giving dwarves radiation poisioning? ( Also, "dwarfs", what? Apparently that's the correct plural but it feels so weird to type that because it changes the pronunciation. )
    
  • Anything else?
  
  Also, is anybody else modding?
  
  _{*I don't want to have alchemy as fleshed out as in Masterwork or implemented in any "cheaty" way, I just want the alchemy skill to go to use.}3

Domovye? What? Why?

Ents could be fun. No civ for them. Could be nice if we can enslave them somehow. Make capturing and exploiting then worthwhile.

What horrors we already have against us? Do we need to make the mountain of murder that's about to fall on our heads any bigger?

E: Actually might be good idea to pool all plans and information into successor thread.

...You intend to add nuclear power to Dwarf Fortress.

...

HOW ABOUT ALL OF MY YES. If my nerdiness on the subject can provide any useful information let me know!

...You intend to add nuclear power to Dwarf Fortress.

...

HOW ABOUT ALL OF MY YES. If my nerdiness on the subject can provide any useful information let me know!

I feel better now. Also, yes. Yes, yes indeed. One thing, if you can find it out, is how to make a power-producing building in RAW modding.

Note: This is just the world-building thread. When we get ready to kickoff, we're still starting a new thread. The spoilered text still has many questions that need answering.

[CaptainMcClellan]

I'll note that the super rare caste thing works great, the male angels are way too nasty to bump into regularly in my world but setting em to be 1 in 5000 works great.

Oooo... cool.

Hey Max, you've mentioned your angels a lot, are you wanting them in DGIII or are you just bragging about the awesome thing you made?

Less snarky question: Would you be willing to collab with me on my modding? ( It helps to have people who know more than you and all... plus then I might actually get some homework done in between working on it. )

They're my first successfully integrated entity and creature and they're freaking terrifying in person so I'd be happy to help you test out and balance something which will provide a fun story to read.

Plus stuff like making sure the voidspawn wear armor when they show up, though that isn't too hard, mostly just stuff like getting them where you really have to throw a good number of well geared dorfs at em and never just steam roll them left and right as that is the sense I get they were originally built towards.

So yeah, chuck some raws at me and I'll check for the good and bad kind of broken stuff, and I can see how they survive nasty world-gen settings+try them out directly as an adventurer to make sure they work all around. Weird bugs pop up that you wouldn't notice in fort mode, like if you had a creature that could only grapple while holding a weapon, how would you notice?

I wouldn't. I haven't even gotten to the creatures yet, I'm still working on mats and reactions. Have some unfinished reactions.

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reaction_nuclear

[REACTION:REFINE_PITCHBLENDE]
[NAME:Extract Uranium from Pitchblende]
[BUILDING:SMELTER:NONE]
[REAGENT:A:1:BOULDER:NO_SUBTYPE:INORGANIC:PITCHBLENDE]
[PRODUCT:100:BAR:NO_SUBTYPE:INORGANIC:URANIUM]
[PRODUCT:15:BAR:NO_SUBTYPE:INORGANIC:THORIUM]
(PRODUCT:5:1:<TYPE>:<SUBTYPE>:INORGANIC:PLUTONIUM)
[FUEL]
[SKILL:SMELT]
[SMELT]

[REACTION:REFINE_THORITE]
[NAME:Make Thorium from Thorite]
[REAGENT:A:1:BOULDER:NO_SUBTYPE:INORGANIC:THORITE]
[PRODUCT:50:1:BAR:NO_SUBTYPE:INORGANIC:THORIUM]
[PRODUCT:50:1:BAR:NO_SUBTYPE:INORGANIC:URANIUM]
[PRODUCT:100:<TYPE>:<SUBTYPE>:INORGANIC:SLAG]

[REACTION:URANIUM_TO_ENHANCED]
[NAME:Enhance uranium]
[BUILDING:"X":]
[REAGENT:A:4:BAR:]
[PRODUCT:]
[PRODUCT:]
[SKILL:]

[REACTION:NUCLEAR_SMELTING]
[NAME:Smelt Supermetals with Nuclear Fission]
[BUILDING:NUCLEAR_FORGE]
[REAGENT:A:] //Super-metal type will have to be set-up. Defined as those metals whose melting points is >=12000, that is Magma-safe.
[REAGENT:B:2:BAR:NO_SUBTYPE:INORGANIC:URANIUM]
[PRODUCT:]
[PRODUCT:X:<TYPE>:<SUBTYPE>:INORGANIC:PLUTONIUM]
[SKILL:]
Please, coat your dwarves in Nether-cap clothes before operating nuclear appliances.

[REACTION:NUCLEAR_SCRAM]
[NAME:Scram the reactor!]
[BUILDING:NUCLEAR_REACTOR]

[REACTION:NUCLEAR_EXCITE]

[REACTION:SHAVE_NETHERCAP]
[NAME:Shave nethercap logs into strands]
[BUILDING:CRAFTSMAN]
[REAGENT:nethercap log:1:WOOD:]
[REAGENT:bag:1:BOX:NONE:NONE:NONE]
[BAG][PERSERVE_REAGENT][DOES_NOT_DETERMINE_PRODUCT_AMOUNT]
[PRODUCT:100:10:NETHER_STRAND:NETHER_CAP]
[PRODUCT_TO_CONTAINER:]
[SKILL:EXTRACT_STRAND]

[REACTION:WEAVE_NETHERSTRAND]
[NAME:Weave nether strands into a armor]
[BUILDING:LOOM]
[REAGENT:A:]
[PRODUCT:]
[SKILL:WEAVING]

[REACTION:HAFNIUM]
[NAME:Transmute slag into hafnium]
[BUILDING:ARCANE]
[REAGENT:]
[PRODUCT]
[SKILL:ALCHEMY]
[SKILL:CONCENTRATION]

[REACTION:DRUID]
[NAME:Transmute worthless stone to plump helmets]
[BUILDING:ARCANE]
[REAGENT:worthless stone:1:BOULDER:NO_SUBTYPE]
[PRODUCT:50:25:]
[SKILL:ALCHEMY]
[SKILL:CONCENTRATION]

[REACTION:CHEESE]
[NAME:Blessed are the cheesemakers]
[BUILDING:ARCANE]
[REAGENT:worthless stone:1:BOULDER:NO_SUBTYPE]
[PRODUCT:51:10:CHEESE]
[SKILL:ALCHEMY]
[SKILL:CONCENTRATION]
[SKILL:CHEESEMAKING]


[endlessblaze]

when we do the world gen can we make sure that elves get situated in a good biome. I almost never find those.....

[CaptainMcClellan]

when we do the world gen can we make sure that elves get situated in a good biome. I almost never find those.....

I'm sure we can, why do you ask?

[endlessblaze]

sunshine, tame unicorns, ect.

of course if they go to long without giving us something USEFULL
then we burn them....

and also if we wait for next release then we can get elves to join us sometimes, and elves tend to be faster than dwarfs.

[CaptainMcClellan]

sunshine, tame unicorns, ect.

of course if they go to long without giving us something USEFULL
then we burn them....

and also if we wait for next release then we can get elves to join us sometimes, and elves tend to be faster than dwarfs.

Yeah, the multiple race fort alone sounds like reason enough to wait. On one condition: once the elves have joined us they have to be willing to submit to our brain-slug master-race from the void. No trying to kill our dwarves over the massive tree-slaughter, and they have to be willing to put on metal armor and kick-ass. We want Cacame Apebaldeds, not resident hippies.

Also, depending on whether or not I can get Toady to notice my suggestion thread, we might actually have the capability of building nuclear reactors capable of undergoing meltdowns and spewing radioactive waste everywhere. If not, we'll still have nuclear forges to smelt high-end shit with. ( e.g. Bauxite into aluminum, dead reapers into screaming metal bars, etc. ) Not only that, it relieves a lot of pressure on me because it's looking more and more like I won't really be able to participate until after midterms at soonest, and after finals to do so reasonably. :/ I just don't want to be the one holding up the fort for three months... so we might just go ahead and start and I'll have my turn later.

[endlessblaze]

Oh right, we can only possess dwarfs. Oh well. Surely a few are willing to submit to the power of nothingness.

[CaptainMcClellan]

How about one void escapee who looks for a site/beacon to attract others to? Doing some murdering along the way helps with legends.

And since we can get the scout in as a migrant, we can set up a backstory with one brave soul finding a place for others to invade and then persuades local dwarves to set up a fortress there and send steady supply of bodies to posess.

I like that idea.

Well, my plan with the Grand Wizard is that there is going to be a sooper rare caste of dwarf. I'll found Slaughterhelm, make an adventurer as said caste, retire them at the fort, and unretire the fort and start playing.

Mm.

[CaptainMcClellan]

Max^TM, did you want me to pitch the RAWs to you here or by PM?

Edit: Also. Flame, for your Wizard Caste can we have its blood be drinkable for a temporary major stat buff? And for the Voidwraiths, maybe a separate caste or them with the same blood, except more geared toward strength boost and rage than int buff.