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I am religious and believe in free will

71 (27.7%)

I am religious and do not believe in free will

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114 (44.5%)

I am not religious and do not believe in free will

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Total Members Voted: 251

[Teneb]

Ah damn. I thought that was a joke, but according to Papal law it does indeed appear they have some claim on the Moon, though it is unclear who specifically has overlordship of it.

HOWEVER, since it is technically Christian to the church, if it was settled by those of another belief, it could very well have a crusade called upon it, no? Is that not the inception of the Crusades?

Nope. The First Crusade was requested by the Roman Emperor Alexios I Komnenos who wanted to repel the Turkish encroachment on Anatolia. Urban II acquiesced the request, through the Council of Clermont, and made the conquest of Jerusalem a secondary goal. That goal soon evolved to be the primary goal.

The Crusade itself was split into two parts: the People's Crusade, that made its way across Europe, massacring Jews along the way, until reaching Anatolia where they were utterly defeated by the Seljuk Turks; and the Princes' Crusade, the official one, that captured Nicea in 1097, Antioch in 1098 (and conducted a massacre of Jews and Muslims there) and finally Jerusalem in 1099 (again killing a bunch of Jews and Muslims). Most of the conquered territories were given to the Latin crusader realms, namely the Principality of Antioch and the County of Edessa. This caused attrition with the Roman Empire, who wanted the Levant returned to them. Of course, most crusaders treated the war as a pilgrimage and soon returne home to Europe, leaving the region poorly-defended and thus giving way to muslim retaliation and the following crusades.

[smjjames]

What if there are multiple home ports though? And yeah, I wiki'd it and it was a thing they did under the 1917 code, don't know if it applies to the current one.

It's all stuff that will have to be dealt with eventually anyway.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Assuming that the Catholic Church continues to exist...

[Teneb]

What if there are multiple home ports though?

The first one, of course.

[smjjames]

Assuming that the Catholic Church continues to exist...

It seems pretty self sustaining at this point.

[Teneb]

Assuming that the Catholic Church continues to exist...

It seems pretty self sustaining at this point.

Yeah, the Vatican is still the strongest christian group around.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Never say never. Humanity's social and cultural status has undergone increasingly rapid change in the modern era, and even ancient monoliths aren't safe from that. Over what, 90% of American Catholics are material heretics because they don't want to hate gay people and have ten children? There are breaking points that can be caused by these things, and as society increases in difference from traditional doctrines that stress is only going to create bigger risks of collapse or splinter.

It's happened before. Don't count a nonreligious future out just yet.

[smjjames]

The Catholic Church wouldn't be quite the same 200 years from now, just as the church now isn't quite the same as it was 200 years ago. The Catholic Church doesn't like to change, but it does change over time, usually slowly.

Edit: Also what MSH said, even if the Catholic Church survives in name, it won't be the same as it is now.

[Urist McScoopbeard]

The Catholic Church wouldn't be quite the same 200 years from now, just as the church now isn't quite the same as it was 200 years ago. The Catholic Church doesn't like to change, but it does change over time, usually slowly.

Edit: Also what MSH said, even if the Catholic Church survives in name, it won't be the same as it is now.

I mean the Church has very little power nowadays and has had steadily less and less over time. That power has gone to sovereign states who are the ones who have gradually secularized over the years.

EDIT: and as society has secularized as well.

[Teneb]

The Catholic Church wouldn't be quite the same 200 years from now, just as the church now isn't quite the same as it was 200 years ago. The Catholic Church doesn't like to change, but it does change over time, usually slowly.

Edit: Also what MSH said, even if the Catholic Church survives in name, it won't be the same as it is now.

I mean the Church has very little power nowadays and has had steadily less and less over time. That power has gone to sovereign states who are the ones who have gradually secularized over the years.

EDIT: and as society has secularized as well.

sovereign states who are the ones who have gradually secularized

society has secularized

Great joke.

[TD1]

Throw off the shackles of the god-fearing, people, and become Ubermensch! Put forth your own wings and fly without the aid of the divine!

[Urist McScoopbeard]

The Catholic Church wouldn't be quite the same 200 years from now, just as the church now isn't quite the same as it was 200 years ago. The Catholic Church doesn't like to change, but it does change over time, usually slowly.

Edit: Also what MSH said, even if the Catholic Church survives in name, it won't be the same as it is now.

I mean the Church has very little power nowadays and has had steadily less and less over time. That power has gone to sovereign states who are the ones who have gradually secularized over the years.

EDIT: and as society has secularized as well.

sovereign states who are the ones who have gradually secularized

society has secularized

Great joke.

I mean compared to 100, 200 years ago.

[TD1]

Depends on the society, as well. Denmark was quite secular. Of course, as the West secularises it also imports many extreme/old world forms of religion, so that's an interesting dichotomy.

[smjjames]

In an effort to rerail the tangent in AmeriPol over here....

No Christian really wants to call out another Christian.

As the resident Catholic I'd like to chime in here and say that Luther was an antisemitic, bigoted, kill-the-poor thunderstorm-fearing yellowbelly, while Henry VIII. was a horny bastard who should've been given the Louis XVI. treatment. And don't even get me started on Mormons.

Wouldn't it be correct to say that Christianity began as a cult? The origins of religions that date back before writing was developed are murkier, but Christianity, Islam, and Buddhism all started with one person starting a group and it growing from there. Same and similar for all of the other stuff that have arisen since.

[Rose]

Literally the only difference between a cult and a religion is number of followers.