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I am religious and believe in free will

71 (27.7%)

I am religious and do not believe in free will

10 (3.9%)

I am not religious and believe in free will

114 (44.5%)

I am not religious and do not believe in free will

61 (23.8%)

Total Members Voted: 251

[Teneb]

Fool! It is well known that it was Nietzsche who killed God. Sure, he willed himself back to life afterwards, but not before Nietzsche took a vial.

His works were made to brag about the fact.

[TheBiggerFish]

Hmmm, interesting.

What if I...ahhh...happened to have a vial of God's blood from that one time I killed him?

Fool! It is well known that it was Nietzsche who killed God. Sure, he willed himself back to life afterwards, but not before Nietzsche took a vial.

His works were made to brag about the fact.

Th4DwArfY1 confirmed Nietzsche.

[Silverthrone]

He has been the patron God of edgy teenagers and students ever since. I do believe he hands out quests for his most loyal worshippers.

[nenjin]

You have to do 5836 dailies though where you go around and irritate all your friends by telling them everything is pointless. Then you've got the right rep level.

[TempAcc]

And then, to complete your ironic apotheosis and passing into the kingdom of pure edge, you die like he did: peniless, lonely and daydreaming about fucking your sister.

[TD1]

You have to do 5836 dailies though where you go around and irritate all your friends by telling them everything is pointless. Then you've got the right rep level.

[TD1]

A question I've always sort of wondered about: What makes a being deserving of worship? Is it power? Loving nature? Or simply a desire to worship something.

[Kot]

One of those or some other reason. There is a lot of reasons to worship something and a lot of them are unique for each person.
Though there is this reward thing that seems to be in majority of big religions.
For instance, abrahamic God tells you that you are sinful and horrible man even before you really do anything because of the original sin and whatnot, and says that if you worship him and be obedient you get rewarded in afterlife because he "forgiving".
Hindus and Buddhists say that world is shit, you have karma that makes your life less shit if you're good and worse if you're bad, but ultimately the main reason to live is to achieve a higher state of mind which is literally not existing... and you do that by abandoning all the hope, desires and other stuff.
Vikings had Valhalla to which you go if you are coolio bearded warrior. Cool.


THEN THERE IS GLORIOUS EMPEROR OF MANKIND, WHO TELLS YOU YOU ARE GREAT AMAZING GOOD NICE AWESOME HUMAN PERFECT GREAT AND YOU SHOULD KEEP GOING BECAUSE BEING HUMAN IS BEST THING THERE IS AND YOUR REWARD WILL BE WHAT YOU TEAR OUT OF XENOS JAWS, WHICH IS THE WHOLE GALAXY AWW YEAHAHHHHH VOTE GOD EMPEROR 30000!

[TD1]

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Another one - if we take God as literally having made us in his image, why are our eyes positioned like those of a predator? We have a limited field of vision, but better sight within that scope with depth, not the nearly 360 view of prey such as rabbits. What I'm saying is, that if God has eyes positioned such as ours, it would imply that he also was governed by rules of predator and prey.

[Shadowlord]

I believe the normal solution to that sort of problem is "Understanding is not required, only obedience."

[Vilanat]

For instance, abrahamic God tells you that you are sinful and horrible man even before you really do anything because of the original sin and whatnot, and says that if you worship him and be obedient you get rewarded in afterlife because he "forgiving".

Small correction: the Christians says the abrahamic god says so.

[Arx]

For instance, abrahamic God tells you that you are sinful and horrible man even before you really do anything because of the original sin and whatnot, and says that if you worship him and be obedient you get rewarded in afterlife because he "forgiving".

Small correction: the Christians says the abrahamic god says so.

Not really. The prophet Isaiah spoke of every person being a sinner, and I think it's quite safe to say he wasn't a Christian.

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Another one - if we take God as literally having made us in his image, why are our eyes positioned like those of a predator? We have a limited field of vision, but better sight within that scope with depth, not the nearly 360 view of prey such as rabbits. What I'm saying is, that if God has eyes positioned such as ours, it would imply that he also was governed by rules of predator and prey.

This kind of thing is why it's a bit silly to take it literally. I mean, doing so also kind of implies God is somehow every skin colour, has hair of all lengths, simultaneously does and does not have a beard... I've mentioned it before, but the most sensible interpretation is that the human soul is in the image of God. Although, in the absence of vast knowledge, just the tiniest smidgen more prone to doing things wrong.

A question I've always sort of wondered about: What makes a being deserving of worship? Is it power? Loving nature? Or simply a desire to worship something.

Why not all three? And other things, to boot? And I mean, what constitutes worship is its own question.

[TD1]

For instance, abrahamic God tells you that you are sinful and horrible man even before you really do anything because of the original sin and whatnot, and says that if you worship him and be obedient you get rewarded in afterlife because he "forgiving".

Small correction: the Christians says the abrahamic god says so.

Not really. The prophet Isaiah spoke of every person being a sinner, and I think it's quite safe to say he wasn't a Christian.

Hey, he's a Prophet, isn't he? Who're you to say he didn't follow Christian doctrine

This kind of thing is why it's a bit silly to take it literally. I mean, doing so also kind of implies God is somehow every skin colour, has hair of all lengths, simultaneously does and does not have a beard... I've mentioned it before, but the most sensible interpretation is that the human soul is in the image of God. Although, in the absence of vast knowledge, just the tiniest smidgen more prone to doing things wrong.

Yea, pretty much. I know that's a common interpretation, but it still seems to be fairly common that people think we literally look like God, Sistine Chapel style.

Why not all three? And other things, to boot? And I mean, what constitutes worship is its own question.

Thing is, I see absolutely nothing as deserving of worship (which, in my personal definition, includes placing something on a pedestal higher than oneself and throwing praise at it). I mean, it's all perspective. Compared to monkeys, we have what could be conceived of as conceptually similar to unlimited power. But I wouldn't want a monkey to worship me. If I met a being three times as powerful, or even as kind, as I am, I would not want to worship it and would be insulted were it to suggest I do so.

God combines vast power with supposedly infinite goodness (though there have been challenges to that last). That he expects me to worship him before he gives me my treat, even if he were to exist, would make a rebel of me.

[Dozebôm Lolumzalės]

If God really existed the way many conservative/fundamentalist Christians portray him, I'd be an anarchist anti-God rebel, channeling Nietzsche as I lead the assault on God. God is dead, and I should know because I just killed him. NO GODS NO MASTERS

[TheDarkStar]

This kind of thing is why it's a bit silly to take it literally. I mean, doing so also kind of implies God is somehow every skin colour, has hair of all lengths, simultaneously does and does not have a beard... I've mentioned it before, but the most sensible interpretation is that the human soul is in the image of God. Although, in the absence of vast knowledge, just the tiniest smidgen more prone to doing things wrong.

In my religion, the usual interpretation is that it implies that God (the Father) and Christ (the Son) have bodies that look human, or rather, people have bodies modeled after theirs. It's kind of similar to how a human son might look similar to his human father - they aren't identical, but they both have the same general body structure plus some specific resemblances.