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What's your opinion on free will?

I am religious and believe in free will
- 71 (27.7%)
I am religious and do not believe in free will
- 10 (3.9%)
I am not religious and believe in free will
- 114 (44.5%)
I am not religious and do not believe in free will
- 61 (23.8%)

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Author Topic: Railgun and Spirituality Discussion  (Read 681339 times)

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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Everyone's a Coptic in Their Own Way
« Reply #5070 on: February 17, 2016, 10:40:46 am »

Anyways, everybody knows your soul just gets transfered to another body when you die.
Please. Everyone knows that there is no "dying"; people just get a plastic surgery and change their names.
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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Everyone's a Coptic in Their Own Way
« Reply #5071 on: February 17, 2016, 10:42:36 am »

Bow to God, God bows to you

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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Everyone's a Coptic in Their Own Way
« Reply #5072 on: February 17, 2016, 02:18:14 pm »

There is much debate about whether animals go to heaven, or if they even go anywhere at all. I am of the opinion that they don't go to heaven, and they were created for the earth for humans.
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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Everyone's a Coptic in Their Own Way
« Reply #5073 on: February 17, 2016, 02:33:20 pm »

I am entirely able to conceive the idea of there being no afterlife for humans. I just think it's wrong.
Why is it right for animals (at least, I assume you think so) but wrong for humans?

I don't actually know. I guess I'm agnostic concerning it? It's just not actually a critical issue compared to the rest of Christianity.
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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Everyone's a Coptic in Their Own Way
« Reply #5074 on: February 17, 2016, 03:27:17 pm »

There is much debate about whether animals go to heaven, or if they even go anywhere at all. I am of the opinion that they don't go to heaven, and they were created for the earth for humans.
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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Everyone's a Coptic in Their Own Way
« Reply #5075 on: February 18, 2016, 04:08:57 am »

I'd argue that humans don't have an afterlife, nor do any other animals.

Except mosquitoes. Mosquitoes have an afterlife, and are made in god's image.
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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Everyone's a Coptic in Their Own Way
« Reply #5076 on: February 18, 2016, 04:46:18 am »

Except mosquitoes. Mosquitoes have an afterlife, and are made in god's image.
Is the current pandemic divine wrath then?
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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Everyone's a Coptic in Their Own Way
« Reply #5077 on: February 18, 2016, 05:02:39 am »

Except mosquitoes. Mosquitoes have an afterlife, and are made in god's image.
Don't forget streptococcus. Word become flesh-eating parasite.
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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Everyone's a Coptic in Their Own Way
« Reply #5078 on: February 18, 2016, 09:13:44 am »

All the more reason to hate god, I guess.
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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Everyone's a Coptic in Their Own Way
« Reply #5079 on: February 18, 2016, 09:39:49 am »

No, no, no - God is meant to be praised, no matter what he does :P
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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Everyone's a Coptic in Their Own Way
« Reply #5080 on: February 18, 2016, 09:56:44 am »

No, no, no - God is meant to be praised, no matter what he does :P
Well, yeah.

I feel like the Jewish view is a bit more honest in that respect. You don't necessarily worship God for being good; you worship him because he's God, and if you don't, you're gonna piss him off. Zeus was just the God of Lightning, and look what he did to people who pissed him off. You think the Alpha and Omega who's destroyed the world once already in flood will be any more forgiving?

New Testament God is the nice-ish one.

Oh, and this is a bit old, but in reference to the whole eternal punishment and deferment thing and blah; in comparison to infinity, all else eventually becomes negligible. Including punishment. Therefore, the only effective punishment is an eternity of something. Or purgatory, I suppose, but trying to reconcile different branches of Christian thought as if they were one entity is guaranteed to bring in headaches.
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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Everyone's a Coptic in Their Own Way
« Reply #5081 on: February 18, 2016, 10:14:30 am »

Thing is, it is my belief/assumption that most people don't praise God because he's what they'd typically call praiseworthy, necessarily. More to the point, they believe in him. As they believe in him, they know that if they don't praise him, they go to hell. So it's not that they're praising Him because he deserves it, per se - it's still the old praise-or-be-punished formula. It's just eschatological punishment.
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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Everyone's a Coptic in Their Own Way
« Reply #5082 on: February 18, 2016, 11:59:39 am »

Thing is, it is my belief/assumption that most people don't praise God because he's what they'd typically call praiseworthy, necessarily. More to the point, they believe in him. As they believe in him, they know that if they don't praise him, they go to hell. So it's not that they're praising Him because he deserves it, per se - it's still the old praise-or-be-punished formula. It's just eschatological punishment.
It's pretty much impossible to praise God for being praiseworthy and simultaneously holding a Judeo-Christian-style morality based on divine mandates.

If you do the latter, you intrinsically accept that X is Good because God says so, thus God being Good is pretty much tautologically true - if you claim to praise him because of his goodness, it boils down to praising him because he exists, whatever he does. He could club baby seals for fun, but since he says he's good, well, he's right, because he's God, he decides.

That would mean the only praiseworthy God who's not wanking himself with morality is a God who is either someone beholden to an objective (i.e. independent of any being whatsoever, mortal or not - at least presuming you don't make a rather heretical claim there's a God above God) source of morality and is only relaying the moral truth to humanity...

...but that brings along the hilarious implication that all the stuff about not worshipping other gods and the like is quite likely God being a self-serving unreliable source hijacking the regular objective moral stuff to entrench his position as an object of worship.
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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Everyone's a Coptic in Their Own Way
« Reply #5083 on: February 18, 2016, 12:03:31 pm »

I'd argue that humans don't have an afterlife, nor do any other animals.

Except mosquitoes. Mosquitoes have an afterlife, and are made in god's image.
And that afterlife is here, yes?
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Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Everyone's a Coptic in Their Own Way
« Reply #5084 on: February 18, 2016, 12:37:27 pm »

I'd argue that humans don't have an afterlife, nor do any other animals.

Except mosquitoes. Mosquitoes have an afterlife, and are made in god's image.
And that afterlife is here, yes?
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