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I am religious and believe in free will

71 (27.7%)

I am religious and do not believe in free will

10 (3.9%)

I am not religious and believe in free will

114 (44.5%)

I am not religious and do not believe in free will

61 (23.8%)

Total Members Voted: 251

[Teneb]

Nova Roma to the Romans, Neo Rome to the Greeks.

It was called Neo Rome at the time.

Damn you for wasting my time by causing me to search for alternatives. I didn't want to do this, but it seems we'll have to go towards the silly side of things.

[andrea]

nobody suggested "third rome"?

[Egan_BW]

Super Rome or Space Rome.

[USEC_OFFICER]

nobody suggested "third rome"?

That's Moscow. Or St. Petersburg? One of the two. It's definitely in Russia is what I'm trying to say here.

Super Rome or Space Rome.

I can get behind this.

[Teneb]

nobody suggested "third rome"?

That's Moscow.

Ninja'd

[TD1]

Also, I feel I must point out that the Consul was elected. You could claim to be a Princeps, however.

[andrea]

nobody suggested "third rome"?

That's Moscow.

that is the joke.

[Teneb]

Also, I feel I must point out that the Consul was elected. You could claim to be a Princeps, however.

Do you see any other citizens of glorious Space Rome?

[USEC_OFFICER]

Moscow has already been founded though and is too cold and dour to act as a New Rome. Hence the desire to create a new city/nation that will correspond to the age-old and honoured values of the Bromans, such as drinking and sex.

[TD1]

And war.

Let us not forget war.

[Micro102]

My choice is never infringed upon.

You're getting a bit hung up on semantics there, I think. Making choices isn't the same as free will. Free will is defined as "the power of acting without the constraint of necessity or fate; the ability to act at one's own discretion" - that is, free will is not deterministic. If your choices can be calculated ahead of time then you are not exhibiting free will.

Isn't this semantics in itself? Stacking up definitions you find on the internet probably isn't going to help when discussing philosophy.

I do act at my own discretion, it's just my discretion is predetermined. If you reference necessity and fate, I will have to ask for context. If I have a choice, what forces me to make a choice? If I could tell what my "calculated" choice is, and wanted to change it, I could. However barring the ability to calculate the universe outside of said universe (otherwise that would also be calculable), what would freewill be other than the ability to make choices truly randomly, without any reason, including your own desires/actions?

[USEC_OFFICER]

And war.

Let us not forget war.

That goes under the heading of bloodsports, but I guess I forgot to mention that was well. My mistake.

[Bohandas]

My choice is never infringed upon.

You're getting a bit hung up on semantics there, I think. Making choices isn't the same as free will. Free will is defined as "the power of acting without the constraint of necessity or fate; the ability to act at one's own discretion"

Those are two distinct definitions of "free will", don't couch them as one. The ability to act at one's discretion can be accomplished while still under the constraint of fate. That's in fact perhaps the crux of the issue.

[Teneb]

Are we really going back to the free will discussion again? All we got out of it last time is that we can't agree on it.

[Orange Wizard]

Those are two distinct definitions of "free will", don't couch them as one.

I literally just yanked that out of a dictionary and didn't really think about it