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I am religious and believe in free will

71 (27.7%)

I am religious and do not believe in free will

10 (3.9%)

I am not religious and believe in free will

114 (44.5%)

I am not religious and do not believe in free will

61 (23.8%)

Total Members Voted: 251

[Calidovi]

Well, dogs were more trouble than pigs.

I don't claim to understand the full reasoning behind 'holy' and 'unholy' foods.

[Adragis]

I dunno.
I think it's your point that people just said 'the pigs did it'.
Pigs weren't vermin, if I remember correctly. Dogs were.

[Calidovi]

I dunno.
I think it's your point that people just said 'the pigs did it'.
Pigs weren't vermin, if I remember correctly. Dogs were.

I said the full reasoning. I kind of have an assumption for pigs, but everything else is unclear. Dogs are in the unclear zone.

[Rolan7]

Reminder that humans aren't kosher, but our blood is (according to some sources from 200AD, there's apparently disagreement nowadays).
As an aside, only kosher things can be sacrificed to God.

[Calidovi]

Reminder that humans aren't kosher, but our blood is (according to some sources from 200AD, there's apparently disagreement nowadays).
As an aside, only kosher things can be sacrificed to God.

That's comforting.

[Adragis]

I thought blood as a rule wasn't kosher?

[Frumple]

Who(m?) did I miss?

Origamiscienceguy, iirc, and I'm pretty sure someone further back with a name starting with g? Think there was at least one more professed christian that chimed in stating they were a biblical literalist, too. It's not been entirely unrepresented in the thread, anyway.

[Rolan7]

I thought blood as a rule wasn't kosher?

There's a specific exception for human blood.  Not in the Bible itself, but written about the same time as the Old Testaments.  Also there is human sacrifice in the Bible, this exception just explains how it's kosher.

[Adragis]

If it isn't in the Bible, or the Torah, or whatever, how is it a valid source?
And the human sacrifice you're thinking of, is it the guy who said he'd give the first thing he saw at his home to God? Because that was more becoming a nun.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

The real "supply-side" reason for pigs being banned is almost certainly that they consume large amounts of both water and food for the end product. In might-as-well-be-underwater Europe where Christianity made it big this was no issue, so the prohibition just kind of got forgotten. In MENA it was never going to be efficient or reasonable to raise pigs for the same reason.

[TD1]

Who(m?) did I miss?

Origamiscienceguy, iirc, and I'm pretty sure someone further back with a name starting with g? Think there was at least one more professed christian that chimed in stating they were a biblical literalist, too. It's not been entirely unrepresented in the thread, anyway.

Cryxis I think would count, too?

[Rolan7]

If it isn't in the Bible, or the Torah, or whatever, how is it a valid source?
And the human sacrifice you're thinking of, is it the guy who said he'd give the first thing he saw at his home to God? Because that was more becoming a nun.

Short answer to the first would be "it's in the Talmud". 
Long answer is... I *finally* tracked down where exactly this information was coming from, and it doesn't really fit my case.  It is in the Talmud...  But not the early pre-Christ versions.  Best I can tell, it was added during the revisions that were published between 350-500CE.  So there's no real basis for human blood being kosher before that time.
And to be fair, they were probably addressing food that you accidentally bleed into (like from mouth cuts).

Possibly related to this ruling, medieval Jews were often accused of capturing Catholics for blood sacrifices.  I've never heard that idea supported by serious historians though, so I seriously doubt it.

I'm done defeating my own point now, back on the offensive.
Despite humans not being kosher according to scripture, scripture does describe them being sacrificed to God.  The case you mentioned with the guy returning home to his daughter, is Judges 11:30-40.  She didn't become a nun-equivalent (which would have meant being a priest's wife or concubine):
The spirit of the Lord came to Jephthah
He specifically promised God a burnt offering
When he got home and saw his daughter, he lamented (also blamed her)
She begged for two months in the mountains first
When she returned, he "did with her according to his vow which he had vowed"
Just to drive it home, daughters in Israel had a custom of lamenting for her fate 4 days out of every year.

So yeah, he sacrificed her to God by burning.  God didn't reject it, or release him from the vow (a thing which exists in Jewish law!).  It's implied that the spirit of the Lord inspired him to make the vow in the first place, by appearing to him.

2 Samuel 21, God sends a plague because of Saul.  David took 7 of Saul's male descendants and "hanged them in the hill before the LORD", and God ended the plague.

1 Kings 13:2, Josiah is prophesied (by God) to sacrifice enemy priests to God. 

And he cried against the altar in the word of the LORD, and said, O altar, altar, thus saith the LORD; Behold, a child shall be born unto the house of David, Josiah by name; and upon thee shall he offer the priests of the high places that burn incense upon thee, and men's bones shall be burnt upon thee.

2 Chronicles 34, Josiah does exactly that, God is pleased.

There are more examples.  It's not kosher, but they did it anyway.  Maybe humans are exempt from kosher laws because they aren't considered animals or something.

[Orange Wizard]

Jesus was (kind of) a human sacrifice, too.

[TD1]

Is it a human sacrifice (even kind of) if that which dies is in spirit nowhere near human.

Well, supposedly. I'd argue he was human, but excuse my blasphemy

[Rose]

He was very much a human.