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[origamiscienceguy]

If those dates are coming from radiocarbon dating, then there are a few problems.

Radiocarbon dating depends on how much carbon14 was in the atmosphere at the time of that creatures death. If there was much less carbon14 in the atmosphere, then the people that died during that time would appear to be much older then they actually are. The biggest thing that increases the amount of carbon in the atmosphere is volcanoes. And when I read "...on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth..." It seems reasonable to assume that a crapton of volcanoes went along with that. That would cause everyone before the flood to appear much older then they actually are.

[penguinofhonor]

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[origamiscienceguy]

That is what I said. The people before the flood, before the volcanoes, would appear older because there is less carbon in them.

[penguinofhonor]

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[origamiscienceguy]

I was just throwing out possibilities when I said that.

[Rolan7]

How did viruses photosynthesize when they're literally smaller than the cell structures used for photosynthesis?

The wizard did it, poh. When you're dealing with young-earth creationism and flood geology, that's literally the entire answer. God did it, real geology can get buggered, etc., etc.

Which can be consistent with the narrative, of course.  God is supposed to be all-powerful, so yeah...  Maybe he did modify the animals and bacteria to eat each other, and maybe he waited until after the great flood.  And maybe the ark was like the TARDIS, bigger on the inside.

The question becomes not "How is that possible?" but "Why would He do it that way?".  Does it make any sense for God to have a human build a boat to hold samples of every animal, when He could simply allow them to breathe water in the interim?  Possibly so, if he wanted to test Noah's family or just do something cool.  More problematic are things like Jesus's sacrifice, or Hell, or a hundred other things which I have trouble reconciling with the rest of the book.  Though discussion has helped me figure out a few!

Which is one reason why I get annoyed by "God works in mysterious ways".  An entity that can do anything, but does unpredictable things with no rhyme or reason, is boring to theorize about.  God killing or ordering the rape of people in the Old Testament: makes sense after a while, as his character is established and outright stated to be jealous and wrathful.  God then turning around and making a sacrifice of himself, to himself, with no lasting consequences except that he manages to forgive all of humanity for something two humans did?  Doesn't really fit with God's established nature, or any sort of internal logic.

FAKEDIT: Oh dear many ninjas. What do you call a group of ninjas even? Is there a specific term?

I'd say a "massacre".  As everyone knows, ninjas are incredibly fragile and inept in groups, yet more confident and violent than ever.  An unfortunate combination, for them.

[origamiscienceguy]

The ark can hold more than all the animals depending on what your interpretation of the word "kind" is. If you treat it as species that can have children with each other, then there would be alot of extra space on the ark.

[Rolan7]

In a nutshell, young-earth creationists consider Biblical "kinds" to be things like dogs or cats.  So there only needed to be 2 (or 7? not sure if dogs are clean) dogs on the ark, and all the breeds have emerged in the intervening 4400 or so years.  I'm not sure how this works with the insect species, but that's the basic explanation.

And dinosaurs were represented, but probably as babies.  That part makes sense, at least.

[wierd]

Dogs are not clean (as in food safe) by levitical teachings.

Requires cloven hooves, and chewing of cud.

Birds must be seed eaters.

[SirQuiamus]

The ark can hold more than all the animals depending on what your interpretation of the word "kind" is. If you treat it as species that can have children with each other, then there would be alot of extra space on the ark.

I somehow misread that as: "If you treat the ark as a species that can have children with each other." That actually stands to reason when you think about it: Noah originally had two arks and he bred them to produce a giant fleet that could carry all the different species on Earth.   

[Orange Wizard]

The ark can hold more than all the animals depending on what your interpretation of the word "kind" is. If you treat it as species that can have children with each other, then there would be alot of extra space on the ark.

I somehow misread that as: "If you treat the ark as a species that can have children with each other." That actually stands to reason when you think about it: Noah originally had two arks and he bred them to produce a giant fleet that could carry all the different species on Earth.   

Someone needs to make that a movie.

[Helgoland]

How would arks mate though?

And think about the consequences of making that movie - what will the shipping look like?

[Orange Wizard]

I imagine the arks would be anthropomorphic. Like that anime with the battleship-girl-things. Also, terrible pun is terrible.

[SirQuiamus]

The ark-kind somehow makes me think of DF wagons and wagonmancy...
I wish we had multi-tile creatures available for modding...

[Frumple]

How would arks mate though?

And think about the consequences of making that movie - what will the shipping look like?

As OW mentioned obliquely, kancolle has most of the answer your questions. Kancolle's copious amounts of porn has the remainder :V