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I am religious and believe in free will

71 (27.7%)

I am religious and do not believe in free will

10 (3.9%)

I am not religious and believe in free will

114 (44.5%)

I am not religious and do not believe in free will

61 (23.8%)

Total Members Voted: 251

[Orange Wizard]

"Bark, bark, that wolf, have you any flax?
Yes sir, yes sir, three pounds, relax!"

[That Wolf]

 

[ChairmanPoo]

Wolf speaks in parables. He who has ears to hear, let him hear.

[Vilanat]

That's an interesting theory Vilanat, I'd be interested to know more if you see it again.  I wonder if it can be observed in those isolated human populations which haven't developed much...  Maybe that's even where the research came from?

So, i tried to find the exact book/paper/article but still no luck. i will keep searching for it though.

I did find several similar theories:
Basically, this theory speaks about the Inner voice that was perceived not as our own but as God's command.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicameralism_(psychology)

Here's a summary and criticism of the theory
http://www.functionalneurology.com/materiale_cic/224_XXII_1/2108_the%20bicamiral/index.html

This theory suggests that before the times of the egyptians/abraham humans didn't "see" the rules behind objects or phenomenons and attributed personality to them:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythopoeic_thought

Wolf speaks in parables. He who has ears to hear, let him hear.

Wolf's parables and posts are actually pretty straight forward to me, maybe because they are heavily based on "Agnostic" Eastern thinking.

[That Wolf]

Wolves dont bark, trees do

I was wondering if any one here thinks the Voynich manuscript has any religious or spiritual significance?
Or just the writings of an insane artist? Im sure many of you know about it but for who dont.
Its pretty interesting, currently untranslatable and filled with pictures of herbs most of which arent identified, astological  charts, drawings of naked people, zodiac depictions, many characters some only used a rare few times. Like I said interesting and could be one of the better hoaxes around..
Carbon dating says its 600-700 years old.
It looks like a book youd find in a wizard possesion.

[Arx]

What would we ask about?

You could ask us about our morality, about our philosophy, about what we think it means to be an atheist. You could ask us how important atheism is to our belief systems - is it a founding pillar o a minor detail? If all else fails, you could try and convert us, though that might get a bit heavy fr some peoples taste.

I don't ask people about atheism because I can just imagine myself as a non-Christian. There's no complicated holy text to fail to understand or anything. If atheists had to comply with The God Delusion or somesuch, there'd be a lot more questions.

I think atheism by its very definition isn't something that needs much questioning to understand.

[scrdest]

I don't ask people about atheism because I can just imagine myself as a non-Christian. There's no complicated holy text to fail to understand or anything. If atheists had to comply with The God Delusion or somesuch, there'd be a lot more questions.

You'd be surprised how many people seem to believe that is in fact the case.

[Bohandas]

That's an interesting theory Vilanat, I'd be interested to know more if you see it again.  I wonder if it can be observed in those isolated human populations which haven't developed much...  Maybe that's even where the research came from?

So, i tried to find the exact book/paper/article but still no luck. i will keep searching for it though.

I did find several similar theories:
Basically, this theory speaks about the Inner voice that was perceived not as our own but as God's command.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicameralism_(psychology)

Bincameralism always struck me as unparsimonious.


EDIT:
It posits everyone being a heretofore unknown kind of crazy to explain phenomena that could be adequetely explained by a few people being well attested kinds of crazy

[chaoticag]

I don't ask people about atheism because I can just imagine myself as a non-Christian. There's no complicated holy text to fail to understand or anything. If atheists had to comply with The God Delusion or somesuch, there'd be a lot more questions.

I think atheism by its very definition isn't something that needs much questioning to understand.

I remember getting a question about that some time ago by a pretty christian guy once. He wanted to know what it was I personally believed would happen after I died. I guess more useful questions can be directed at people who identify as secular humanists, spirituals without gods, or Satanic Church Satanists (Not to be confused with Le-vayan[sp?] Church of Satan).

[i2amroy]

He wanted to know what it was I personally believed would happen after I died.

Personally IMO when you're dead that's it. No afterlife for me!

[Angle]

Yeah.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBzJGckMYO4

[TD1]

Where were you before you were born? Probably in the same state as when you die. Or, more to the point, lack of state.

[That Wolf]

Where were you before you were born? Probably in the same state as when you die. Or, more to the point, lack of state.

In a womb....
You mean before conception right?

[TD1]

I think it's fairly obvious what I meant.

[SirQuiamus]

What would we ask about?

You could ask us about our morality, about our philosophy, about what we think it means to be an atheist. You could ask us how important atheism is to our belief systems - is it a founding pillar o a minor detail? If all else fails, you could try and convert us, though that might get a bit heavy fr some peoples taste.

I don't ask people about atheism because I can just imagine myself as a non-Christian. There's no complicated holy text to fail to understand or anything. If atheists had to comply with The God Delusion or somesuch, there'd be a lot more questions.

I think atheism by its very definition isn't something that needs much questioning to understand.

If atheism is defined simply as the lack of religious belief, you might as well be questioning a beardless woman about the beard she does not have: ("You seem to be completely beardless, madam; can you tell us a bit about your lovely beard?") The source of confusion is the fact that atheism is frequently presented, by proponents and opponents alike, as somehow comparable to a religion -- a distinct "belief system" with positive content. This would only make sense if scientific and common-sense beliefs were mutually exclusive with religious beliefs, and clearly, they are not.

Wolves dont bark, trees do

I was wondering if any one here thinks the Voynich manuscript has any religious or spiritual significance?
Or just the writings of an insane artist? Im sure many of you know about it but for who dont.
Its pretty interesting, currently untranslatable and filled with pictures of herbs most of which arent identified, astological  charts, drawings of naked people, zodiac depictions, many characters some only used a rare few times. Like I said interesting and could be one of the better hoaxes around..
Carbon dating says its 600-700 years old.
It looks like a book youd find in a wizard possesion.

The Voynich manuscript is the earliest pre-alpha version of Dwarf Fortress. The resemblance is uncanny.