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I am religious and believe in free will

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[smjjames]

So in history class we are starting to learn about Islamic nations, this is going to be fun  .
Anywho I was wondering how do Muslims view Jesus? I know they call him a prophet but is he still gods son in their belief or just another prophet?

Just another prophet, along with Moses, Joseph, Noah, etc. Every prophet worked some miracles to show that they carried God's message. Jesus is something of a special case though since he ascended to high heavens before he was crucified, but since everyone will die someday, he's expected to make a return, where he'll rule the world. So there is that, and yes, this is part of what I was raised to believe as a Muslim, not a Christian

So in Muslim faith Jesus will still return just like in Christian faith, maybe with a bit of different context as to why, but still Jesus coming back to rule the earth around the time of judgement?

Where does that leave Muhammad though? No idea if he is supposed to come back or something.

[Cryxis, Prince of Doom]

So in history class we are starting to learn about Islamic nations, this is going to be fun  .
Anywho I was wondering how do Muslims view Jesus? I know they call him a prophet but is he still gods son in their belief or just another prophet?

Just another prophet, along with Moses, Joseph, Noah, etc. Every prophet worked some miracles to show that they carried God's message. Jesus is something of a special case though since he ascended to high heavens before he was crucified, but since everyone will die someday, he's expected to make a return, where he'll rule the world. So there is that, and yes, this is part of what I was raised to believe as a Muslim, not a Christian

So in Muslim faith Jesus will still return just like in Christian faith, maybe with a bit of different context as to why, but still Jesus coming back to rule the earth around the time of judgement?

Where does that leave Muhammad though? No idea if he is supposed to come back or something.

IIRC he was another prophet, like God's right hand man. Sent to give another important message

[Descan]

The whole "don't make images of Mohammed" thing is because of the idea that Mohammed was just a man, not divine in any way.

Of course, originally it was so that his image (and him) would not be worshipped as idolatry in place of Allah,  and that's kind of been... twisted, so it's more like he's a divine figure to be protected and that would be blasphemy to depict.

[chaoticag]

So in Muslim faith Jesus will still return just like in Christian faith, maybe with a bit of different context as to why, but still Jesus coming back to rule the earth around the time of judgement?

Yes.

Where does that leave Muhammad though? No idea if he is supposed to come back or something.

Well, Mohammed's time has come, he was just the last to be a prophet. Might differ a bit between Sunni's and Shia's here, since the Shia muslims do believe in some sort of imams coming around I think. Don't think I can elaborate more here other than it being possibly different.

[scrdest]

The whole "don't make images of Mohammed" thing is because of the idea that Mohammed was just a man, not divine in any way.

Of course, originally it was so that his image (and him) would not be worshipped as idolatry in place of Allah,  and that's kind of been... twisted, so it's more like he's a divine figure to be protected and that would be blasphemy to depict.

Ah, the ironing is delicious.

[smjjames]

The whole "don't make images of Mohammed" thing is because of the idea that Mohammed was just a man, not divine in any way.

Of course, originally it was so that his image (and him) would not be worshipped as idolatry in place of Allah,  and that's kind of been... twisted, so it's more like he's a divine figure to be protected and that would be blasphemy to depict.

Ah, the ironing is delicious.

Did you know that Christianity actually went through a period where views about depicting Jesus were similar to that about depicting Muhommad? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iconoclasm

Edit: Two actually, one during the Byzantine era and one during the Protestant Reformation.

[ChairmanPoo]

So did the Amarna heretics.

[TD1]

Dont judge until you have been changed by it just like I wont judge you religions.

Feel free to judge my...hrm...religion all you want

And children seeing Santa Claus are changed by it, too. Whether or not an experience has changed you in no way adds to its validity. Especially when brought about by physical means.

[Levi]

Did you know that Christianity actually went through a period where views about depicting Jesus were similar to that about depicting Muhommad? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iconoclasm

I like to think if there is a god, he still enforces that commandment literally and everybody who has a little jesus on a cross in their home is going to hell for it.   

[TD1]

Or the virgin Mary. Or has ever said "OMG" or other assorted common-place blasphemies.

[Arx]

The presence of an image of Jesus strongly implies that they won't go to hell for anything, though.

[Cryxis, Prince of Doom]

well that and most people who have those items would have asked forgivness of sins

[TD1]

First, they must repent.

If they don't see it as a sin, they won't repent. Asking for forgiveness doesn't instantly give you a universal by.

[Baffler]

Unlike the laws of man, the laws of God generally provide for people's ignorance thereof.

Anyway in the news, this might be a thing that happens. This article is somewhat sensational, but it was the best I could find. I'm not looking forward to the shitstorm that results from whatever they decide to do, in any case.

[TD1]

In the catholic faith at least, it's repent, confess and penance. Less so the latter now a days though. Still, repenting requires knowledge.

Then again, my info may be out of date, I read that in a history book on Chaucer's time.

Edit: Mixed up penance and penitence