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[penguinofhonor]

It's the Univision debate, also on CNN.

[smjjames]

Yeah, CNN is livestreaming it and it's also on the Fusion channel.

[Strife26]

Will this be the beginning of the looming CNN-Univision conflict?

[smjjames]

Will this be the beginning of the looming CNN-Univision conflict?

Why would they conflict? CNN is doing the republican debate tomorrow night anyway.

[Strife26]

The natural state of news networks is one of mortal combat.


Damn, but emailgate could be this cycle's Trump if we didn't have Trump.

[penguinofhonor]

There was a question that was basically "Will you say outright that Donald Trump is racist? Like, those words exactly?" and both of them avoided it. Can't blame them, since it really seemed like it was just intended to give the network a snazzy clip.

[mainiac]

Politically correct language.

[smjjames]

Those moderators are really hammering on that trust issue for Clinton.

edit: Yay, climate change questions.

[Rolepgeek]

I'm really talking about a different issue. There's the issue of who pays for the leave money itself. That's not under disagreement.

But there are other costs born by the employer, which I am talking about. I did explain exactly what those other costs are. Clinton isn't offering to compensate businesses for those, just saying they won't pay out of their hip-pocked for the direct leave payments.

And sure, those costs can be mitigated a little, you can try and retain the old person after they are done with their leave, but it's always going to hit efficiency to some degree. And if the vast majority of leave-takers are women, well that hits women-dominated industries disproportionately, which further widens the gender gap (the costs are spread out to all women, because we're not discriminating against any specific women whether she takes leave or not).

So, as quite a few feminists have pointed out the only way to break through this glass barrier is to actually poke men with sticks until leave is truly taken in equal amounts. Just "offering" equal opportunities doesn't guarantee equal outcomes. We all know that.

So...I have a question. Why do we need equal outcomes, if truly equal opportunities are provided? I mean, I think paid maternal and paternal leave should be provided, but I mean...the wage gap is a symptom, it isn't the disease. It feels like you're wanting us to optimize for a variable that isn't actually necessarily bad. We dislike the wage gap when it's based on sexism. Women taking more time off is sorta that, but...it's not something you're gonna change by trying to force men to take more leave, or with economic/tax things. You said yourself it's a cultural thing, but...it doesn't seem like an inherently bad one, if that makes any sense.

[Dorsidwarf]

Donald trump

[Helgoland]

-snip-

Well, for example there's a stigma on men taking paternity leave, on women working while having a small child at home, etc etc. Yeah, the wage gap is a symptom, yeah, there may be some reasons for it which we don't need to fix, but currently there certainly are. And that's why the wage gap is - under the current circumstances - a problem.

[Salmeuk]

Has anyone adressed the awfully disturbing trend to promote Donald Trump as if his name itself was a meme? It's just really weird to me and I can't tell if it's ironic or serious. People will literally end conversation threads by stating some random trumpibberish as if that's all that needs to be said. It's a little creepy when some asinine statement ends up paraded around the internet like a biblical passage. I get it, Trump exudes a particularly strong brand of American "I don't really think about what I'm saying" masculinity, but when did it become alright to throw discussion out the door in favor of dank memeticism?!

[itisnotlogical]

Trump's run for President is literally the IRL version of a shitpost. For anybody outside of the rabid tea-party crowd that makes up his supporters, the fact that it is even happening at all is a non sequiter. It's like if Vanilla Ice were to run for President as a joke, except he was serious and people actually started voting for him.

[Strife26]

Calling Trump's ridiculously large (for Trump) base of support rabid tea partiers isn't very accurate. Crazy populists is more accurate.

[RedKing]

Has anyone adressed the awfully disturbing trend to promote Donald Trump as if his name itself was a meme? It's just really weird to me and I can't tell if it's ironic or serious. People will literally end conversation threads by stating some random trumpibberish as if that's all that needs to be said. It's a little creepy when some asinine statement ends up paraded around the internet like a biblical passage. I get it, Trump exudes a particularly strong brand of American "I don't really think about what I'm saying" masculinity, but when did it become alright to throw discussion out the door in favor of dank memeticism?!

Trump has been promoting his own name as a brand for decades.