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Author Topic: Murrican Politics Megathread 2016: There Will Be Hell Toupée  (Read 1572898 times)

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Re: Ted Cruz's Netflix and Chill 2016 Megathread
« Reply #8865 on: December 30, 2015, 07:31:53 pm »


I'd agree completely with this sentiment. It's really amazing how friendly US-Kurdish relations are, considering how many times we've fucked them over.

Given kurdish history I think they'd probably be suspicious if we hadn't killed a few dozen thousand of them through malign neglect at some point.
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Re: Ted Cruz's Netflix and Chill 2016 Megathread
« Reply #8866 on: December 31, 2015, 01:30:12 am »

So given that after a year the thread is about a big as the last 2 year old one, will there be a new US politics thread for 2k16 ?
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Re: Ted Cruz's Netflix and Chill 2016 Megathread
« Reply #8867 on: December 31, 2015, 01:31:29 am »

I was thinking more of the post-1991 period, when they happily went into a three-way civil war and played "Saddam, Saddam, Who's Allied with Saddam?" for several years. The PKK even tried their hand at becoming an Islamist group for a while when they thought it might get them more support than their old Communist shtick did.

To me, it's just indicative of the cynical, pragmatic mindset in that region -- always make sure you're on the winning side, even if it means changing sides five minutes before the other guys roll into the capital.

EDIT: And as someone pointed out, just carving an ethnic homeland for people (even if they deserve one) out of existing states hasn't worked out so well in the past.
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Re: Ted Cruz's Netflix and Chill 2016 Megathread
« Reply #8868 on: December 31, 2015, 02:40:57 am »

Things tend not to work until they work.  We live in a world where the French and Germans stopped killing each other, the Irish and Scots stopped killing each other and the Scots and Scots stopped killing each other.  It's amazing.
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Re: Ted Cruz's Netflix and Chill 2016 Megathread
« Reply #8869 on: December 31, 2015, 02:53:05 am »

the Scots and Scots stopped killing each other.  It's amazing.
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Re: Ted Cruz's Netflix and Chill 2016 Megathread
« Reply #8870 on: December 31, 2015, 02:55:48 am »

Thing is, would an independent Kurdistan really stabilize the region more? The Kurdish areas are already stable-ish, and carving shit out would create no end of resentment.
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Re: Ted Cruz's Netflix and Chill 2016 Megathread
« Reply #8871 on: December 31, 2015, 03:07:37 am »

If Iraq and (less likely) Syria collapsed and balkanized, then I guess it would be more palatable in the region for a Kurdistan to arise out of that rather than forcing Syria, Iraq, and Turkey to release their Kurdish regions.

Though Sheb has a point, it wouldn't neccesarily make things more stable.
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Re: Ted Cruz's Netflix and Chill 2016 Megathread
« Reply #8872 on: December 31, 2015, 03:19:31 am »

I don't think there's gonna be "carving" at this point. Iraqi Kurdistan is all but independent and Syrian Kurdistan is definitely independent by all metrics. That's enough for a state, essentially.

The big thing is going to be the interaction with Turkish and Iranian Kurdistan. The effectively independent Kurds have shown no hesitation whatsoever in directly supporting the rebellion/terrorism there, which will make global interactions...difficult.
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Re: Ted Cruz's Netflix and Chill 2016 Megathread
« Reply #8874 on: December 31, 2015, 06:58:26 am »

Of course he's upset; the new propellants melt plastic!
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Re: Ted Cruz's Netflix and Chill 2016 Megathread
« Reply #8875 on: December 31, 2015, 07:09:28 am »

Snopes just ruined my day.  Apparently Ted Cruz isn't hip with the kids.
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Re: Ted Cruz's Netflix and Chill 2016 Megathread
« Reply #8876 on: December 31, 2015, 07:10:46 am »

It's true to me, damn it.
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Re: Ted Cruz's Netflix and Chill 2016 Megathread
« Reply #8877 on: December 31, 2015, 11:47:33 am »

Iraqi Kurdistan is all but independent

They dont control the royalties for oil drilling on their territory.  That's a pretty big caveat in the middle east.
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Re: Ted Cruz's Netflix and Chill 2016 Megathread
« Reply #8878 on: December 31, 2015, 11:54:58 am »

Iraqi Kurdistan is all but independent

They dont control the royalties for oil drilling on their territory.  That's a pretty big caveat in the middle east.

Iraq doesn't control much of anything at this point.  For practical purposes, Iraq and Syria no longer exist.
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Re: Ted Cruz's Netflix and Chill 2016 Megathread
« Reply #8879 on: December 31, 2015, 12:21:37 pm »

They are countries in civil wars, yes.
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