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[smjjames]

Thing is that Obama actually WAS born in Hawaii. According to Wikipedia, Cruz and his parents returned to Houston when he was about four, so technically he became a naturalized at 18.

I see his chances being very low anyway, heck, not all republicans support him. Rep. King (of New York) said that Cruz is just a guy with a big mouth and 'would jump off the bridge rather than support him when the time came to cross that bridge'.

On my part, he's already ruined his reputation with his antics.

[penguinofhonor]

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[nenjin]

Enjoy your Obamacare, Cruz.

[Reelya]

Yup, thats one thing I cant stand about politics, everyone is a hypocrite. Whatever happened to actually having some decency?

But really, if Obama can get away with it, IF the dems are actually honest, they wont have a problem with Cruz being Canadian born. But thats a big if.

"If the dems are honest". They have nothing to hide in this matter.

"Obama can get away with it". What did Obama "get away with"? Inventing a time machine to change his own birth certificate back in 1961 so he could run for president. By law, he was already an American citizen as his mother was an American citizen, just like Ted Cruz. So the only reason to "fake" his birth back in 1961 would be because they had prescience and knew he'd be the first black president 40 years later. Which is the most insane conspiracy theory ever. His birth announcement is even in preserved copies of the local paper from 1961 which you can get on microfiche. So they faked the 1961 local papers too i guess? :/

There's not a shred of evidence that Obama was born in kenya. His mother was an american citizen, at the place she met and married Obama's father, which was at a university in Hawaii. Which was in America. To believe that he was born in Kenya, we'd have to accept that the father flew an 8 month pregnant woman from the USA to Kenya to give birth, on a rickety 1960's plane. Documentary evidence shows that she was definitely in America attending the university right up to the birth.

Who would do that give the state of Kenya vs USA medicine, especially back in the mid 1960's? USA had the world's best hospitals at the time. And 1960's airlines were pretty shitty. Plus, Honolulu to Kenya is quite a long trip. Who would stick an almost-gone pregnant woman through that? The "consipiracy" doesn't make a lick of sense.

[smjjames]

Plus, what even would the point be to take said pregnant woman to Kenya to give birth and then come back to the US? It's usually the other way around.

Besides Kenyan citizenship, but doesn't Obama get that anyway because his dad is Kenyan?

[FearfulJesuit]

There was actually a minor incident a couple years ago where someone found out Cruz had Canadian citizenship he didn't know about. Cruz promptly renounced it.

[Reelya]

By law, he got UK citizenship back then as his father was a UK citizen (This was pre independence, so there was no such thing as Kenyan citizenship). But UK law did not require you to be born within UK territory to get that.

[smjjames]

By law, he got UK citizenship back then as his father was a UK citizen (This was pre independence, so there was no such thing as Kenyan citizenship). But UK law did not require you to be born within UK territory to get that.

I'm surprised nobody brought that up when the birthers were raging, lol.

[Reelya]

Apparently it did, though the reporting was muddled. All Kenyans lost UK citizenship on independence in 1963 and gained Kenyan citizenship, but Kenya's constitution does not allow dual citizenship, you must actively renounce any other citizenship before your 18th birthday or you automatically lose it.

Which raises the question of whether you're really a citizen of a place if your parents are, which gives you the right to claim citizenship, but you never do?

Of course, such issues aren't specifically related to Obama, but any presidential candidate who was either born on foreign territory or had one parent who wasn't a US citizen, or had a parent who had dual citizenship. Which is a lot of them. Romney for example. His father was born in Mexico. George Romney, who ran for president back in the 1960s, being born in Mexico, had nominal Mexican citizenship as well as US citizenship.

[scriver]

Who would do that give the state of Kenya vs USA medicine, especially back in the mid 1960's? USA had the world's best hospitals at the time.

Only a crazy islamist nationalist, that's who! See, that only makes it even more likely!

[smjjames]

Apparently it did, though the reporting was muddled. All Kenyans lost UK citizenship on independence in 1963 and gained Kenyan citizenship, but Kenya's constitution does not allow dual citizenship, you must actively renounce any other citizenship before your 18th birthday or you automatically lose it.

Which raises the question of whether you're really a citizen of a place if your parents are, which gives you the right to claim citizenship, but you never do?

Of course, such issues aren't specifically related to Obama, but any presidential candidate who was either born on foreign territory or had one parent who wasn't a US citizen, or had a parent who had dual citizenship. Which is a lot of them. Romney for example. His father was born in Mexico. George Romney, who ran for president back in the 1960s, being born in Mexico, had nominal Mexican citizenship as well as US citizenship.

And there was of course, the first couple of presidents because they were technically born British citizens but still born in the colonies.

Probably not such a big deal with Ted Cruz because he was raised in the US and he didn't know about the Canadian citizenship.

[nenjin]

Apparently it did, though the reporting was muddled. All Kenyans lost UK citizenship on independence in 1963 and gained Kenyan citizenship, but Kenya's constitution does not allow dual citizenship, you must actively renounce any other citizenship before your 18th birthday or you automatically lose it.

Which raises the question of whether you're really a citizen of a place if your parents are, which gives you the right to claim citizenship, but you never do?

Of course, such issues aren't specifically related to Obama, but any presidential candidate who was either born on foreign territory or had one parent who wasn't a US citizen, or had a parent who had dual citizenship. Which is a lot of them. Romney for example. His father was born in Mexico. George Romney, who ran for president back in the 1960s, being born in Mexico, had nominal Mexican citizenship as well as US citizenship.

And there was of course, the first couple of presidents because they were technically born British citizens but still born in the colonies.

Probably not such a big deal with Ted Cruz because he was raised in the US and he didn't know about the Canadian citizenship.

Says great things about the man he didn't even know which nationality he claimed.

"What? You mean I'm not an American just because I beat my chest and say so?"

[Bauglir]

And there was of course, the first couple of presidents because they were technically born British citizens but still born in the colonies.

They actually had specific exemptions written into the Constitution for exactly that reason. Cruz has no such privilege, but he's still natural-born because at least one parent was a US citizen and we have citizenship pass by blood as well as by location. That he was also a Canadian citizen is largely irrelevant, since the Constitution doesn't blacklist non-American citizens, it whitelists American citizens.

Which raises the question of whether you're really a citizen of a place if your parents are, which gives you the right to claim citizenship, but you never do?

As far as I know, such an arrangement does not exist. You're either a citizen or you're not; if a nation gives you a right to citizenship contingent upon claiming it but you never claim it, you're simply never a citizen. Citizenship can be revoked, for example at 18 if a nation requires you to choose to be solely a citizen of itself at that age or else renounce citizenship. However, as far as international law is concerned, you can stack citizenships to a very nearly arbitrary degree, at least in principle. It's just that each nation can impose arbitrary rules on how and to whom it grants citizenship.

So, to answer your question, if your parents are citizens of a nation that implements jus sanguis, you are absolutely a citizen. If that nation, however, merely offers the opportunity for citizenship to all children of citizens, you are not a citizen until you complete the requirements for obtaining citizenship. This is a distinct situation from Kenya, which evidently totally allows dual citizenship up to 18.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

There are strange situations, like Singapore, which claims all born within it as citizens and does not allow them to renounce until they've completed two years of national service. Thus leading to bad situations where a person whom has never lived in Singapore visits and gets drafted at gunpoint.

[PTTG??]

Republican Candidates:
Ted Cruise: A loud moron.

Democratic Candidates:
Queen Hillary Clinton.

Are these really the only choices?