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[Urist McGoombaBrother]

Is it possible to mod a swordsmith working the same as a Metalsmith, just limited to swords:

Currently for Weaponsmiths, you select

1) Category: Weapons and Ammo, Armor, Furniture, etc., then
2) Material (iron, silver, etc.) and finally
3) Type corresponding to the selected category: e.g. for Weapons and Ammo => battle axe, short sword, etc.

I would like to amend it as follow:

1) Category: Short Swords, Sabres, One-Handed Long Swords, Two-Handed Long Swords
2) Material: no change
3) Type corresponding to the selected category: e.g. for Category Short Swords => Gladius, Falchion, Wakizashi, etc.


Of course, when this works, it should be possible to add some more of that kind, e.g. a Cutler covering the Categories Knives and Daggers or one smith covering all types of Axes, Hammers and Maces, etc.

When adding everything to the existing Metalsmith, his list will become extremely confusing after a while.

[UnicodingUnicorn]

I'm afraid that the list for the Metalsmith's Forge is hard-coded. Not sure what you can do with DFHack though.

[Loam]

First, you can't mod professions, only workshops/reactions.
Second, you can't do multi-level reactions like the forge reactions. All reactions will be on one list, like the smelter.
You could make a custom workshop "Swordsmith's forge" which only produced sword-type weapons, but then you'd have to make a separate reaction for every material as well as every item type, so you'd get a long list of "make iron sword" "make steel sword" "make copper sword" etc.
Easier just to let the forge take care of it like it already does.

[Urist McGoombaBrother]

Thx for your quick responses. Too Bad. I feared that already. 

Creating that many reaction chains won't make much sense. Is it possible to add some intersections like those on the main workshop-menu in the Masterwork Mod for the final level of the Metalsmith? E.g. via adding some kind of "fake"-weaponry?

[smakemupagus]

Thx for your quick responses. Too Bad. I feared that already. 

Creating that many reaction chains won't make much sense. Is it possible to add some intersections like those on the main workshop-menu in the Masterwork Mod for the final level of the Metalsmith? E.g. via adding some kind of "fake"-weaponry?

Sure, just have a look and copy how Masterwork does it.  It is indeed done with fake buildings or fake reactions, as you guessed.

[UnicodingUnicorn]

Thx for your quick responses. Too Bad. I feared that already. 

Creating that many reaction chains won't make much sense. Is it possible to add some intersections like those on the main workshop-menu in the Masterwork Mod for the final level of the Metalsmith? E.g. via adding some kind of "fake"-weaponry?

Sure, just have a look and copy how Masterwork does it.  It is indeed done with fake buildings or fake reactions, as you guessed.

I think Masterwork did it in the custom workshops. In other to do this sort of thing with a hard-coded building like the Metalsmith's Forge, you essentially need to mod in weapons that should not exist, which I think is impossible.

[StagnantSoul]

Thx for your quick responses. Too Bad. I feared that already. 

Creating that many reaction chains won't make much sense. Is it possible to add some intersections like those on the main workshop-menu in the Masterwork Mod for the final level of the Metalsmith? E.g. via adding some kind of "fake"-weaponry?

Sure, just have a look and copy how Masterwork does it.  It is indeed done with fake buildings or fake reactions, as you guessed.

I think Masterwork did it in the custom workshops. In other to do this sort of thing with a hard-coded building like the Metalsmith's Forge, you essentially need to mod in weapons that should not exist, which I think is impossible.

It's incredibly easy to mod in weapons.

[UnicodingUnicorn]

Thx for your quick responses. Too Bad. I feared that already. 

Creating that many reaction chains won't make much sense. Is it possible to add some intersections like those on the main workshop-menu in the Masterwork Mod for the final level of the Metalsmith? E.g. via adding some kind of "fake"-weaponry?

Sure, just have a look and copy how Masterwork does it.  It is indeed done with fake buildings or fake reactions, as you guessed.

I think Masterwork did it in the custom workshops. In other to do this sort of thing with a hard-coded building like the Metalsmith's Forge, you essentially need to mod in weapons that should not exist, which I think is impossible.

It's incredibly easy to mod in weapons.

The thing is, the weapon modded in would have the name of a space, something like "--Curved Swords--", which means you can make a weapon called "--Curved Swords--", which does not make sense.

[BlackFlyme]

I think Masterwork did it in the custom workshops. In other to do this sort of thing with a hard-coded building like the Metalsmith's Forge, you essentially need to mod in weapons that should not exist, which I think is impossible.

It's incredibly easy to mod in weapons.

Edit: Ninja'd. ^ What Snail said.

I think they mean like the fake reactions/buildings used in Master Work to separate or organize the various different categories, only for weaponry.

The reason that may not work is because if you used that same method you would see dwarves wielding <<+iron #####Curved Sword Category#####+>>, since the weapons would physically exist and be available to the civilization.

[Urist McGoombaBrother]

It's incredibly easy to mod in weapons.

Yes, it is easy to create new weapons. But the question is of how to create non-existent weapons, just acting as intersections. Or if that's even possible. Urist McDwarf has grown attached to a *test weapon category*



Should ideally look like:

Forge iron katar
Forge iron mace
====test weapon category====
Forge iron rapier
....

edit: Black Flyme and Snail555 beat me on that.

[smakemupagus]

Oh, sorry, I thought you meant putting dividers in a custom workshop (which would require dummy reactions that don't cause much harm), not at the regular forge (which would require dummy weapons and be a big mess).  I don't think you'll have much luck putting dividers in at the regular forge.

[vjmdhzgr]

If I understand could correctly then you don't need fake weapons at all. Just make a reaction called ##test weapon categories## or whatever it was and put that into a custom workshop and give your civilization access to it. The reaction doesn't need to do anything and it won't mess anything up. If you add weapons that your civilization doesn't have direct access to, but they have custom reactions for, the civil won't use them, but you can make them.

[milo christiansen]

It is possible to override a workshops sidebar menu with DFHack, maybe you could use that to make hierarchical menus?

[Urist McGoombaBrother]

If I understand could correctly then you don't need fake weapons at all. Just make a reaction called ##test weapon categories## or whatever it was and put that into a custom workshop and give your civilization access to it. The reaction doesn't need to do anything and it won't mess anything up. If you add weapons that your civilization doesn't have direct access to, but they have custom reactions for, the civil won't use them, but you can make them.

It shouldn't be a new custom workshop, just amend the existing one. Or alternately a multilayer workshop, which is currently not possible as intended.

It is possible to override a workshops sidebar menu with DFHack, maybe you could use that to make hierarchical menus?

I will have to leave that question to more adept users. I am still in trouble with the basics. XD

Different case, but probably the same issue is following. I created two new special materials by copying and amending everything related to adamantine. Those are added as raw material at world gen, added to the stockpile menus, also added to the workshops as intended. Everything is also named properly. Only exception appears to be for now the menu in the Craftdwarf's Workshop. There I have got three times "Extract Metal Strands", each one related to one of the three materials. Unfortunately the name of the material is missing, so I could only tell how they are related via DF Hack Workflow Plugin. Are those task namings also hardcoded or is it possible to add it somewhere?