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[Tellemurius]

I mostly play Dawn of War for my RTS fix. I never touched the the tabletop cause I didnt want to sink the cash in. I do however enjoy playing Rogue Trader with my logic broken Dave the Seneschal and his trusty sidekick, Munches the Kroot Merc.

[NullForceOmega]

I've sunk a bit more than a thousand dollars into the tabletop game over the years.  I customized the hell out of my Tau armies' battlesuits, to the point that they barely resemble the stock models.  I played a few of the peripheral games like Dawn of War.  But two things about 40k bug the hell out of me, GWs' pricing scheme, and the die-hard fans.  The prices are just silly, that is all there is to it.  And I'm sorry to say, most of the dedicated fanbase are just ridiculous.  Every time I hear some 40ker claim that the '40k is so OP compared to other games!', or gush about how dark and hopeless the setting is, I have to actually stop myself from flying off the handle.  So for me the parts of the game I like (really crunchy tactics play and cool models) are badly outweighed by the parts I just don't care for.

[SlyStalker]

The prices are just silly, that is all there is to it.

Well, it is expensive, but relative to other models/hobbies, it's not all that bad. Also, it's a niche thing, so the prices are (somewhat) justified.

[NullForceOmega]

Nothing about GWs pricing is justified, or even sane.  I put my first 2000 points together for around $300 US, and my second 2000 cost at least $700 all totaled.  The armies were purchased about ten years apart.  My first army had numerous pewter models, so the price for the time made sense.  But my second army consists entirely of plastic, not even resin, just cheap as hell GW plastic.  And I went ahead and priced the models I already have on their site just now, and it cost over a thousand dollars for the same damn army. So no, the costs are simply ridiculous.

[Bohandas]

I Every time I hear some 40ker claim that the '40k is so OP compared to other games!', or gush about how dark and hopeless the setting is, I have to actually stop myself from flying off the handle.

Yeah, there's plenty of other games out there with dark and hopeless settings. Call of Cthulhu, Ravenloft, Dark Sun

[MrWiggles]

Ravenloft is significantly less grim when you disregard engaging the mansion, and dismantle it during the day.

[SlyStalker]

I Every time I hear some 40ker claim that the '40k is so OP compared to other games!', or gush about how dark and hopeless the setting is, I have to actually stop myself from flying off the handle.

Yeah, there's plenty of other games out there with dark and hopeless settings. Call of Cthulhu, Ravenloft, Dark Sun

But 40k's setting... I dunno, it's irreplaceable for me. Maybe it's the scale?

[Boksi]

Personally, I like the baroque aesthetics and the general ridiculousness of it all. Everything is exaggerated and covered in skulls, that sort of thing. To really enjoy the setting, you have to take it seriously but not completely seriously.

[Xantalos]

It's just how baroque and stuff it is.

Cthulhutech is a pretty cool setting, though.

[Mech#4]

Some of the artwork created for the setting really does capture the detail and over-the-topness of it all. Emperor vs Horus is the best one I think, with another used as the cover of Battlefleet Gothic a close second.

A setting where the spaceships are cathedrals with flying buttresses, mile-high statues and for certain a giant organ somewhere; it's refuge in audacity on a huge scale.

Personally, I do prefer Warhammer Fantasy more than 40,000. My favourite faction is Skaven, followed by Necrons.

[Bohandas]

I Every time I hear some 40ker claim that the '40k is so OP compared to other games!', or gush about how dark and hopeless the setting is, I have to actually stop myself from flying off the handle.

Yeah, there's plenty of other games out there with dark and hopeless settings. Call of Cthulhu, Ravenloft, Dark Sun

But 40k's setting... I dunno, it's irreplaceable for me. Maybe it's the scale?

Call of Cthulhu's technically on the same scale, the action's just zoomed quite a bit. Events are going on spanning galaxies and centuries, but we lack the capacity to be part 0f them; we can only interact with the tiny part which by chance spills over onto our unregarded planet.

[Retropunch]

I think the setting is everything. I mean, even though the whole grimdark space marine setting is pretty common now (GoW, StarCraft) it still stands alone on scale and also being so OTT whilst sorta coherent. The Black Library, tabletop, pc games and codexs all sorta work together to create an entire universe which you don't really see elsewhere. Plus it's the whole futility of, whilst it's all so over the top, it's all just a battle of attrition - there are no end goals or things that are going to 'win', it's just IN THE GRIM DARKNESS OF THE FAR FUTURE THERE IS ONLY WAR.

The pricing is just so ridiculous though and in no way justified - I don't think any other hobby requires you to put quite so much money into it to be able to play a normal game. I priced up my 2000 point army and found a similar result to NullForceOmega, but the newer models are of poorer quality. I think I spent about £150 on mine, with a *lot* of pewter models and some speciality pieces, whereas now it'd go for at least 3 times that with all cheap plastic.

The people I know that still play it mainly just use re-casts/Russian knockoffs due to the pricing, whilst others who just like the tactical side of it just use paper cut-outs. This can't be helping GW at all, so at this point I feel they've sorta just priced themselves out of the market. 

[Bohandas]

That sounds like a very good solution.

[nenjin]

I don't necessarily love 40k for its grim dark. War is pretty grim dark period when it's done honestly. I like 40k for a lot of reasons, but I'd say the wealth of lore and detail that has built up over 20+ years is the biggest. The way, as a sci-fi universe, it twists themes to create systems and hierarchies and cultures. As a friend of mine puts it "that guy working in a manufactorum, etching the Imperial Eagle on bolt shells 18 hours a day, as his father did before him and his before that." Or a whole book about how "society" functions on a Chaos World.

I've also liked how, as time has gone on and more lore is compacted on top of existing lore like a Hive city, the difference between truth and legend lives inside the lore as well outside it. You can be that crazy guy railing about the Sensei, and you're just as right as the guy that believes they don't and never existed. 40k deliberately leaves itself open to interpretation in a lot of places and I've liked the sense that the boundaries are not really known, unlike other game/story worlds where you can pretty firmly put your hands on the edges of it. Sadly this is getting a little less true with their emphasis on the Horus Heresy now, and while it's cool to see the Universe as it once was, I think making full fledged characters out of the Primarchs (and even the Emperor), complete with speaking parts, has kind of diminished the mythology for me a bit. I don't necessarily need the 40k storyline to move forward. I just need a cool setting to imagine things in.

As it is, just like in the universe of 40k, GWS has built the entire structure of their game world on a decaying edifice. Which is why they can't really move the storyline much further. You wipe out the Imperium or kill the Emperor or have Chaos "win" and it leaves a big gaping void not only in their visuals, but in most of the world context. It's why the Empire has never vanished in Fantasy. Because what's a fantasy world without castles and knights and shit. GWS's policy has always been additive more than subtractive. The setting primes us for someone "getting subtracted", but can't ever really deliver. The Heresy was 40k's big moment of subtraction, and everything is has basically been 10,000 of aftermath.

And now, I'm about to deploy 1000 points of Blood Angels into a 4 to 5 way slugfest. I'll post some pics later.

[Shooer]

It's funny to me that they are going back to revisit the Horus Heresy so much right now, especially since I know someone who was affected by it hugely when they introduced the whole event.

My dad played 40k in the epic scale before it was called epic scale, it was THE scale to play at the time.  On a square base the same size as a normal troop today you had 5 tiny little guys representing a squad.  The games scale was close to all the other major/minor war games out at the time it was just that 40k was the big sci-fi one at the time, and was actually originally made to try and compete against Battletech with pure titan battles but they introduced infantry and armor rather quickly.  He had(has) a pretty big collection, an Ork and Eldar army, a excessively long Squat train and his massive space marine army.  His army of marines and their armor was just shy of his combined Ork and Eldar collection.

The thing is my dad liked purple so he played his marines as a Emperors Children chapter, you can kind of see where this is going.  He played for a few years and then the Horus Hersey happened(2nd ed).  His army went from being the good guys following the emperor to being part of the new renegades.  He's still pissed.