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[smjjames]

Ok well can we discuss on topic?

Islam and women rights maybe?

You just want an opportunity to bash Islam don't you? And yes I'm aware of the issues Islam has with women's rights, it's just that you'd rather troll Islam with glee.

How about Judaism and abortion? Or BP, perhaps you can pick something that is controversial for Judaism? Besides all the politics related stuff of course.

[TD1]

What about amalek mitzvah? It seems like a fairly violent place to start.

[Cryxis, Prince of Doom]

Now wait
By my understanding a majority of non middle easern Islamic women still maintain their civil rights


Also why does everyone want to bash the crap out of each other?
Just because it's a volatile topic doesn't mean you have to be a jerk about it

[burningpet]

I have no problem discussing anything related to judaism, controversial or not because i am not religious. the sad thing is, though, that it seems there is a real problem when starting to speak about islam controversial issues. suddenly every critic becomes a racist/bigot/islamophobe.

So, yeah, pick a controversial judaism topic and lets discuss it. abortions is not one of them, btw, since there was never a law forbidding it and most jews now days (more than 90% i'd say) are in favour of it.

[Mictlantecuhtli]

ITT BP tries his hardest to convince people Islam is evil

[WillowLuman]

Not knowing Judaism too too well, the only issues I can think of are the political ones, which are huge and loaded topics. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable could take the opportunity to explain some of the lesser known things about it?

Re:Islam: The criticisms I have for it apply to the other two, and most religions in general. Perhaps a less bigotted way to state the usual ones people bring up is not to generalize them to all of Islam, but to apply them to certain individuals and governments/groups. You could liken it to judging Christianity by the KKK and the 30 Years War era Roman Catholic Empire.

[TD1]

What about amalek mitzvah? It seems like a fairly violent place to start.

Amalek mitzvah, if I recall correctly, is where God orders the Jews to commit genocide against their enemies, under the thought that the other tribe's ways would infect the true religion.

[burningpet]

Not exactly. The given reason for this barbaric and harsh command was to wipe them out of existence because they were cruel enough to attack and murder the fleeting israelits "lagging from behind", usually referring to the weaker women, children and elder people when using that term. this was perceived as the purest of cruelty and evilness (Killing the weaklings for killing sake.

[TD1]

The reason was to further Noahide law. As shown when one tribe relented, they were forced to follow the law and pay a tax for their salvation.

They essentially wanted to force their laws down the other tribes' throats. Sure, the laws are good ones, but that doesn't mean you should wipe out anyone who doesn't say they follow them.

[burningpet]

Nope. The reason was the one i gave. it explicitly says so in the haftara itself.

Not only that, in the oral version, it has a sort of double meaning there by how you sing/emphasis those passages, where jews are not only ordered to "Remember amalek crimes and wipe them from under the skies", but to also to "Not be forgotten from under the skies", as in, not get exterminated by pure evilness.

[Frumple]

... that's some A grade hypocrisy, right there, heh.

[burningpet]

Nope. Its just like jews getting out of the death camps saying "we should kill all nazis! never forget what they did to us!" with the same meaning as "We should kill all nazis! we will never be exterminated". Hypocricy? nope. (i can refer to the definition of the word if you need one)

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/humor (oops, i just linked a different definition of a term you are probably not entirely familiar with)

[TD1]

And yet, what would you say about a genocidal mission sent from God if it were given to the Muslims?

As in "Kill all the Americans! Their soldiers kill our children!"

[burningpet]

I will say what i say everytime, that islam is a dangerous religion and should be stopped and that in islam the enemy is all of us, not just a fictional nation.

[TD1]

And yet, it would appear the Jews were precisely the same.