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[FArgHalfnr]

Giving it a try.

Spoiler: Survey (click to show/hide)

1. How much player power (as opposed to GM power) did you feel there was during YG0?
b. Too little
I wasn't able to make as much stuff as I'd wished to do in the game, but that might've been because I didn't have time to build a good following (consider my vote to be on adequate if that's the case)


2. What did you think of having a one-dimensional stat (Essence) for gods?
c. Insufficient, i.e. need more stats for gods
I really liked what stirk did to stats in his spin-off, the depth it added was great.

3. What did you think of the amount of conflict?
d. No idea
Didn't get to see any real conflict, so ignore this one.


4. How much power do you think the Council had?
d. Too much
That one was actually quit hard to answer. On one hand the council was basically able to do whatever it wanted with impunity, but on the other hand the huge variety of diverging opinions made the council completely useless in many cases.


5. How much emphasis should secret actions be given?
b. About the same
I didn't get to do much, but it seemed alright to me.

6. How important are prompt updates to you?



7. How much do you think a god's actions should be governed by sphere?
c. Some
I think a god should be dedicated to his sphere, but not to the point that they would be penalized when working out of them.

8. How would you like to change the emphasis on NPCs?
c. Increase
Npcs are great.

9. How easy should gods be to kill? (suggestions recommended for attack and defense components)
c. No idea
Haven't had any experience with that, so I can't answer.

10. Would you like to see a ministers system implemented at the start of (a) future game(s)? (The ministers system likely involves increased votes for elected ministers on their departments and a system for electing them. Note that such a system can be implemented ior removed later as with other Council projects assuming a similar or identical Council setup.)
b. No
I'd rather see independent pantheons than a centralized system.

11. How much should players be allowed to interfere with each other's creations at the start?
b. Little
I'm not sure why someone would want to do that at the start, even if I were to play as an evil god I'd focus more on getting a worshiper base than messing with others.


12. How much should lack of originality be penalized?
c. Some
I wouldn't have a problem with generic fantasy races, but people shouldn't do that exclusively in my opinion.

13. Given the Captain Ersatz rule, do you think my fear of lawyers was excessive or insufficient?
e. No idea
Again, had no experience with that, so I can't answer

13. How important is an overall cooperative goal for the gods? (YG0's cooperative goal was intended to be any combination of understanding, expanding, assimilating with the Void factions, or beginning a long quest to exterminate them.)
b. Important
Probably important when dealing with something as massive as the void stuff

14. How much realism would you prefer to see?
b. A little, i.e. a fairy tale-like world where much is possible with some resemblence to reality
c. Significant, i.e. a high fantasy setting where technology dominates and magic and divine action are useful only for certain special cases
Something halfway between both of theses. I'd like some level of realism, but gods should be able to make things that would otherwise defy logic, and have a large influence on the world.

15. What part of the game did you most like?
Creating species and civilizations and helping them grow

16. What part of the game did you most dislike?
probably the council. I didn't find it useful, and was impairing in a lot of cases.

17. What do you like or dislike most about my writing?
It is perfectly fine to me, I have nothing to say against it.

0-10 scale questions (10 highest):
18. How much would you like to have the pantheon split into 2-3 administrative teams at the start?
For: Reduces individual risk; Allows normally minority positions to pass (locally)
Against: Demands increased participation; May supersede per-player diplomacy?
10. I'd rather have multiple independent factions each with their own goals than a massive group where no one can get what they want.

19. How much granularity/fine-grained control do you feel is ideal for world design?
For: Emphasizes one of the main attractions for god games in general
Against: Increased overhead with little effect?
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20. How much would you want increased attention to intrigue?
For: Focuses on a popular feature for similar games
Against: Comes at the potential expense of some dissatisfaction
6. Intrigue is nice, but shouldn't override the creative aspect of the game

21. How much do you value randomness (dice with non-arbitrary modifiers) over intuition (KJP's festering and brooding)
High: Less change to last game's design; Prevents KJP's mood from affecting much
Low: Leads to luck overriding skill; Increases the "human touch" to the story
3. Not sure how less randomness means more luck based stuff. Anyways, I wouldn't want the game to essentially be a rtd.

22. On a scale of -5 to 5, how much anthropomorphism/anthropocentrism do you expect of unspecified NPCs?
High: More relatable; Easier to interact with(/write?)
Low: Possibly more realistic; Aligns with realism more closely
-4. A great appeal for me to the game is to make lifeforms that are highly different from real life and work on how they would behave and interact. They shouldn't be assumed to work like humans unless they were specified to be like that.

23. On a scale of -5 to 5 (higher being stronger), how strong would you want the Captain Ersatz rule to be?
-5: Require creations to be references?
-4: Abolish it
0: Retain it for possible future amendment (in either direction)
4: Strengthen it
5: Block anything previously existing?
Didn't get to see this in effect, so I can't really answer this

Open-ended questions:
24. What do you think of secret goals and how they should be rewarded, determined, integrated, &c.?
Should be treated the same as public actions in terms of mechanics, except with the secrecy.

25. What sort of magic system do you want? (I have already prepared a more mechanically developed one to replace the loose, broken old one. It is still highly extensible.)
It should allow a lot of liberty for the players to innovate.

26. Any other changes/features you want in the base game?
As I mentioned a few times already, I'd love to see multiples independent pantheons instead of a omnipotent council. There should be incentive to work with others outside your group from time to time though.

Edit: I'm almost certain I completely misunderstood a few questions. Disregard anything that makes no sense or is unrelated to the question.

[Andres]

Races are, arguably, more important than most of those things. They are a really important part of world creation, an empty world is simply unsuitable for world creation. If your reasoning was that you just like the concept of it or something would be fine, but "I can't be bothered to make something else" isn't an answer you should expect people to be OK with. Like I said, you could have help from one of us...Falg and I like making a bunch of races. It isn't any effort to make something that isn't human. Putting in humans, of all things, automatically changes the tone of most worlds. Even changing the name would give it a different tone....

Remember the Humans in Ye Gods? Do you remember them being bland and boring or interesting in terms of what happened in the world? I'd bet on the latter. No one cared about the Night Elves or the Star Dragons because despite being more unique in terms of design than Humans, they didn't do anything interesting. I don't bother with race creation because their being unique doesn't matter in the slightest. Their effects on the world is what matters and any race can affect the world regardless of how much of a special snowflake they are. I gave a lot more of a crap about Humans than Night Elves in Ye Gods and I would've been regardless of whether or not I created them.

Some people like making unique races. That's perfectly fine and I can understand that (see 1000-page description of creature), but it's just not a thing I'm usually into.

[TheBiggerFish]

19.) Should someone so choose, they should be allowed to go as in-depth as they want.  I mean, within reasonable limits, no atom-by-atom descriptions of your new giant mountain, but if you put details in, it shouldn't count against you, and if you leave details out, it shouldn't count against you.

[Rolepgeek]

No, I remember them being pretty bland. I remember that the Paladins were almost interesting. No one cared about the Night Elves or the Star Dragons because the dude who would've cared about them disappeared.

It's not a matter of 'oh you guys are just trying to be special and unique'. Of course we are! That's the whole point! To make something unique and see it interact in a unique world via hopefully mostly objective narrator!

You have the opportunity to make a race of creatures that's interesting and unique in it's own right, and that can develop in an interesting fashion that doesn't follow what happened in real life. And you choose not to, because it's too much extra work. It's rude, is what it feels like. What it feels like, is like you're spitting on everyone else's creations, like you're saying you don't need to contribute. That's why it annoys us.

[FArgHalfnr]

"Not wanting to put any effort into making races" is just kind of...boring? Unsportsmanlike? I can't think of a word that describes it. I don't like it. "I am not putting effort into this community game" is just not a good thing to say. It isn't extra effort. It is literally any effort. The whole point of a God Game is world creation, and not putting in at least an attempt at originality in something we all work to make is almost insulting to all the other players. You can ask for help if you want, War gods are easy to make things for (like Fusil's), I am sure we could all work together to give you something-that-is-not-Human.

No no, it's not that I don't like creation. Creation was my favourite part of Ye Gods, even. It's just that creating a race to worship me isn't that important to me. Magic, projects, weapons, artifacts, worlds, etc. are all things I'm interested in creating. Races are pretty much the only thing I don't care about putting effort into creating.

EDIT: I wrote a one thousand-word description of a creature I planned to make to KJP. The idea that I don't put effort into creation as a whole is false. I'm just disinterested in one of its aspects, said aspect being popular to most other players.

I have to side with you there. I see no reason to prevent someone from focusing on other thing than species. The diversity would be nice

[Stirk]

Races are, arguably, more important than most of those things. They are a really important part of world creation, an empty world is simply unsuitable for world creation. If your reasoning was that you just like the concept of it or something would be fine, but "I can't be bothered to make something else" isn't an answer you should expect people to be OK with. Like I said, you could have help from one of us...Falg and I like making a bunch of races. It isn't any effort to make something that isn't human. Putting in humans, of all things, automatically changes the tone of most worlds. Even changing the name would give it a different tone....

Remember the Humans in Ye Gods? Do you remember them being bland and boring or interesting in terms of what happened in the world? I'd bet on the latter. No one cared about the Night Elves or the Star Dragons because despite being more unique in terms of design than Humans, they didn't do anything interesting. I don't bother with race creation because their being unique doesn't matter in the slightest. Their effects on the world is what matters and any race can affect the world regardless of how much of a special snowflake they are. I gave a lot more of a crap about Humans than Night Elves in Ye Gods and I would've been regardless of whether or not I created them.

Some people like making unique races. That's perfectly fine and I can understand that (see 1000-page description of creature), but it's just not a thing I'm usually into.

I remember humans being fairly bland and boring, honestly. You probably have a different view, starting as the God of Humans with them as your pet race. I literally can't think of anything they did that was particularly interesting and not caused indirectly or directly by me killing their God repeatedly. They where simply generic and didn't do anything memorable. The Original races where lost because their Patron god abandoned them. I am not saying "Originality=Automatically Good". I am saying that original races are generally better than unoriginal ones with the same amount of effort put into them.

"Not wanting to put any effort into making races" is just kind of...boring? Unsportsmanlike? I can't think of a word that describes it. I don't like it. "I am not putting effort into this community game" is just not a good thing to say. It isn't extra effort. It is literally any effort. The whole point of a God Game is world creation, and not putting in at least an attempt at originality in something we all work to make is almost insulting to all the other players. You can ask for help if you want, War gods are easy to make things for (like Fusil's), I am sure we could all work together to give you something-that-is-not-Human.

No no, it's not that I don't like creation. Creation was my favourite part of Ye Gods, even. It's just that creating a race to worship me isn't that important to me. Magic, projects, weapons, artifacts, worlds, etc. are all things I'm interested in creating. Races are pretty much the only thing I don't care about putting effort into creating.

EDIT: I wrote a one thousand-word description of a creature I planned to make to KJP. The idea that I don't put effort into creation as a whole is false. I'm just disinterested in one of its aspects, said aspect being popular to most other players.

I have to side with you there. I see no reason to prevent someone from focusing on other thing than species. The diversity would be nice

I am not asking him to focus on species. I am asking him to put a little effort into it.

[Andres]

It's not a matter of 'oh you guys are just trying to be special and unique'. Of course we are! That's the whole point! To make something unique and see it interact in a unique world via hopefully mostly objective narrator!

You have the opportunity to make a race of creatures that's interesting and unique in it's own right, and that can develop in an interesting fashion that doesn't follow what happened in real life. And you choose not to, because it's too much extra work. It's rude, is what it feels like. What it feels like, is like you're spitting on everyone else's creations, like you're saying you don't need to contribute. That's why it annoys us.

I care a lot more about what a race does than what a race is. Creating a 2000-page description of a race is boring to me if all the race does is sit in a cave. A single line description of a race is enough for me so long as they actually do stuff. A unique race is only interesting to me if it affects the world in some way. If its unique characteristics helps it to do so, that's good. If it doesn't, I'd still find the race interesting because they still affect the world.

I do feel the need to contribute but not when it comes to creating races. I'm more interested in giving already existing races stuff to do. Magic to build or destroy the world with, artifacts to exploit or fight over, monsters to fight or tame, stuff like that. To me, races exist so they can do stuff, not to merely exist. Humans are capable of doing stuff just fine.

I remember humans being fairly bland and boring, honestly. You probably have a different view, starting as the God of Humans with them as your pet race. I literally can't think of anything they did that was particularly interesting and not caused indirectly or directly by me killing their God repeatedly. They where simply generic and didn't do anything memorable.

Ok, maybe not interesting so much as they were relevant. They showed up in Ticks a lot and that's pretty much all that matters to me. Whether they did stuff on their own or not doesn't matter, all that matters to me is that they did stuff.

EDIT: Actually, something about unique races that interests me is reading about them. I like reading about the unique races that other gods come up with. I just don't find enjoyment in creating unique races myself. Reading about Golems and Armu and all that good stuff was fun.

EDIT2: Now that I think about it more, I'd like to clarify that I don't like creating unique races for the sake of being unique, but I do enjoy creating unique races if their unique aspects affect the world in some way.

EDIT3: On the above point, if I just want to make a race for worshipping and that's it, I won't put the effort into giving it flavour because there's no need and no desire.

EDIT4: Now that I think about it more, sometimes I do like making unique races. Not all the time, but sometimes. When I do, I make one. When I don't, I don't. Simple as that.

[Stirk]

....Andres caught the edit bug again, didn't he?

[Andres]

I guess Ye Gods made me relapse.

[TheBiggerFish]

Hm.  What could I...Yes.  Yes.  This is a thing.  This is a thing that I will make.
Crystallum:

Spoiler: I don't know why I'm doing this now.  Oh well. (click to show/hide)

A race of semihumanoid beings, composed of self-reproductive crystals.  Said to have been generated by a single geode falling into a pond and cracking open, releasing the first Crystallum into a mineral-rich environment.
Crystallum grow and accumulate simply by living, not needing to eat anything in particular to propagate. 
However, they grow extremely slowly.  It may take geological time frames for a Crystallum to reach the height of an adult human, should they not undergo saturation, a process in which minerals are dissolved into water and absorbed into the Crystallum.  (Some Crystallum may, however, decide not to grow, and simply store the minerals they absorb into geodes, which are either used as ready sources for saturation or simply used as decoration.) 
Should a Crystallum wish to reproduce, a special form of geode is created directly from the Crystallum's body, and possibly combined with any number of similar geodes.  The resulting new Crystallum will take on characteristics of all of its contributors, although they will fairly quickly develop a new color of crystal.
Crystallum value logic and order, steadiness and safety.  Somewhat paradoxically, however, they are quite creative, in their way.  They often find new uses for existing objects, or ways to put things together. And such new constructions will spread quickly.
Crystallan society is based on merit, which often equates to seniority.
As they are living gems, they tend to live in what might be, at first, mistaken for a lit cave, were it not for the delicate architecture and detailing around the entrance.
Should one enter, however, there will be amazing feats of design within.  ((You know, arches, sculptures, etc.))
Crystallum have an aptitude for some forms of magic.
Sample names:
First:
Alin
Baken
Caron
Telet
Koruk
Last:
Eten
Letek
Onok
Noten
Dakon
Titles:
Terekenar:Leader
Onaterak:Priest

Notes: Yena takes a different form for this race, but does have a similar enough symbol that worshippers will recognize it.  Crystallum call Yena Tenat, instead.

I have no idea why I wrote this.  Oh well.

[Rolepgeek]

At least for me, that's half my point. There is a need, because you're not playing by yourself. It ends up coming across as rude if you don't put any effort into it. Everyone else also has to interact with that race.

What's more, if somebody makes a several page description of a race, it's not gonna be in a cave sitting around, unless the person stops playing. It doesn't actually make it harder to make the race do things, in most cases.

It also gets annoying when you say 'make humans' and then it turns out you didn't make humans, you made utopia humans that don't get int the constant strife real humans do(since supposedly real humans are what they're based on). Or you go back and retroactively make changes as compared to irl sexual deviation.

[FArgHalfnr]

Making a character sheet prototype since everyone is making one apparently. I'm recycling a few things from litany, but it's going to be a very different god. I feel like making a villain this time.

Spoiler: Potentially WIP (click to show/hide)

Name: Zenurion
Sphere: Mad science/wizardry and Villainy
Appearance: A jet black, red eyed demon with two black horns. He has sharp red teeth and a tail. Another notable feature is a complete absence of nose. Usually wearing a labcoat, but sometime seen wearing a military uniform or a bio-hazard/radiation suit.
Description:
Deep within the confines of one of his many secret laboratories, the devil in a labcoat is usually found overseeing and participating in various highly lethal and unethical experiments with his minions, creating all sorts of deadly contraptions and murderous abominations. There is noting Zenurion enjoy more than seeing his creations bring pain and suffering to the world, withering and destruction. Despite this, he is rarely the instigator of a conflict, usually preferring to fuel existing ones and selling his creations to the highest bidder.
Symbol: A pentagram with a downward-pointing arrow in the middle

[Andres]

Propose we kill Zenurion. He is literally a villain.

[Stirk]

Making a character sheet prototype since everyone is making one apparently. I'm recycling a few things from litany, but it's going to be a very different god. I feel like making a villain this time.

Spoiler: Potentially WIP (click to show/hide)

Name: Zenurion
Sphere: Mad science and Villainy
Appearance: A jet black, red eyed demon with two black horns. He has sharp red teeth and a tail. Another notable feature is a complete absence of nose. Usually wearing a labcoat, but sometime seen wearing a military uniform or a bio-hazard/radiation suit.
Description:
Deep within the confines of one of his many secret laboratories, the devil in a labcoat is usually found overseeing and participating in various highly lethal and unethical experiments with his minions, creating all sorts of deadly contraptions and murderous abominations. There is noting Zenurion enjoy more than seeing his creations bring pain and suffering to the world. Despite this, he is rarely the instigator of a conflict, usually preferring to fuel existing ones and selling his creations to the highest bidder.
Symbol: WIP

How is that any different from your Litany one? 

*Sigh* Just so there is no complaining, my planed Sphere is "Criminal Organizations". I made it the day the old Ye Gods died.

[IcyTea31]

Not making a sheet yet, but dibs on the sphere of Perception.

Spoiler: Survey (click to show/hide)

1. How much player power (as opposed to GM power) did you feel there was during YG0?
d. Too much (The ruling was basically "if you have the Essence, you can do it." Blocking other gods from acting (and other kinds of counterplay) should be more viable. Essence was also too plentiful in the late game. It should be a resource so manage, not just a motherly suggestion of "okay, that's enough for now; do the rest of what you want next Tick".)

2. What did you think of having a one-dimensional stat (Essence) for gods?
b. Sufficient (Not necessarily the only good solution for resources, though.)

3. What did you think of the amount of conflict?
a. Too little (Or rather, the participation in conflict was too low. There should be a reason for everyone to do something about any crises.)

4. How much power do you think the Council had?
f. All of the above (As a form of mob rule, it was way too powerful. A god could do anything to another if they could convince the Council about it. However, when it came to enforcing rules and projects, not much was done. The Council should be the over-entity above the gods, not a cudgel below them. I think it should have more firm, more defined rules right from the beginning.)

5. How much emphasis should secret actions be given?
b. About the same

6. How important are prompt updates to you?
b. Not important (I'd rather have good updates than frequent updates.)

7. How much do you think a god's actions should be governed by sphere?
c. Some (It should be possible for a god to be "forced" into something by their sphere when the crises come. In peacetime, this isn't as important. _{Though when is there ever peacetime?})

8. How would you like to change the emphasis on NPCs?
c. Increase (A way to increase GM power would be to emphasize proxy actions, e.g. angels and prophets)

9. How easy should gods be to kill? (suggestions recommended for attack and defense components)
a. Harder (Killing should be hard enough that it cannot be done reliably, i.e. no god-killing weapons. Damaging, however shouldn't be too difficult. Counterplays and defensive actions should be very much possible (advance warning about incoming attacks would be nice), but again, not to the point of reliability.)

10. Would you like to see a ministers system implemented at the start of (a) future game(s)? (The ministers system likely involves increased votes for elected ministers on their departments and a system for electing them. Note that such a system can be implemented ior removed later as with other Council projects assuming a similar or identical Council setup.)
b. No (Spheres are enough. The aligned god has enough power to severely help or hinder a Council action already, so there's not much point to it. Electing the ministers would be a bit stupid, in my opinion.)

God of Democracy: "Who shall we elect as the Council Chairman, to tiebreak the minister votes? The god of Leadership, the god of Justice, or the god of Jelly Rolls?"
God of Senses: "Hm, jelly rolls do taste good..."
Most of the Council: "Agreed!"
God of Leadership: "But how is he going to-"
Most of the Council: "Shut up! He's the Chairman, and that's final!"
God of Democracy: "Okay, who shall be the Minister of Void Communications? The god of Lawyers, or the god of Insults?"
God of Foresight: "Lawyers!"
God of Destruction: "Insults!"
God of Pacts: "Lawyers!"
God of Jelly Rolls: "The god of Insults is an awesome guy, and that's a tiebreaker!"
God of Democracy: "God of Insults it is. Next up, Minister of Magic. God of Food or god of-"
God of Jelly Rolls: "Food!"
...

11. How much should players be allowed to interfere with each other's creations at the start?
d. Very much (Creation is important enough that forbidding conflict would be annoying.)

12. How much should lack of originality be penalized?
b. Not much (I think that having to follow every single rule of how the unoriginal thing works in the source material is enough. Space Marines are condescending towards regular people and don't respect life, for example, and thus don't make very good soldiers in a non-grimdark universe.)

13. Given the Captain Ersatz rule, do you think my fear of lawyers was excessive or insufficient?
b. Excessive (As long as you don't make money off YG, any mention of copyrighted stuff counts as Fair Use.)

14. How important is an overall cooperative goal for the gods? (YG0's cooperative goal was intended to be any combination of understanding, expanding, assimilating with the Void factions, or beginning a long quest to exterminate them.)
b. Important (I wouldn't mind a "plotline" of sorts.)

15. How much realism would you prefer to see?
b. A little, i.e. a fairy tale-like world where much is possible with some resemblence to reality

16. What part of the game did you most like?
Player conflict, when it came to gambits upon secret plans upon misdirection plays upon... Watching one's plan click together and seeing what your opponent has done, can be fun regardless of whether one managed to outsmart them.

17. What part of the game did you most dislike?
Long periods of not much happening, with lots of bark but very little bite.

18. What do you like or dislike most about my writing?
I don't have much experience with this type of writing, neither as a reader nor a writer, so I can't say much. It's not bad.

0-10 scale questions (10 highest):
19. How much would you like to have the pantheon split into 2-3 administrative teams at the start?
[8]

20. How much granularity/fine-grained control do you feel is ideal for world design?
[3] (I'd prefer a system where, for example, the gods give mortals the tools and ideas to build a society upon, but don't actually build it. Same with other facets of creation: make the building blocks, not the building.)

21. How much would you want increased attention to intrigue?
[7] (Assuming 'intrigue' in this case means under-the-counter dealings, secret plots and such.)

22. How much do you value randomness (dice with non-arbitrary modifiers) over intuition (KJP's festering and brooding)
[1] (Spearman does not beat tank.)

23. On a scale of -5 to 5, how much anthropomorphism/anthropocentrism do you expect of unspecified NPCs?
[-3] (Aliens should be alien.)

24. On a scale of -5 to 5 (higher being stronger), how strong would you want the Captain Ersatz rule to be?
[-2] (See question 12.)

Open-ended questions:
25. What do you think of secret goals and how they should be rewarded, determined, integrated, &c.?
Every god should have always have some specified, maybe one long-term and one short-term. This is to give the GM an idea of what the purpose of their actions are. Changing them around should be fine, and rewards aren't very viable, unless the goal was given by a Void entity or something.

26. What sort of magic system do you want? (I have already prepared a more mechanically developed one to replace the loose, broken old one. It is still highly extensible.)
Any sort, as long as it is consistent. Magic shouldn't work in a dozen different ways.

27. Any other changes/features you want in the base game?
The world should be made to feel alive. Things should happen even without divine intervention. Technology marches on, wars are fought... A million thriumps and a million tragedies should happen where nobody is looking, so only their aftermaths can be dealt with.