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[Stirk]

"Of Course not, We need more Essence income so that we'll be able to fight them on their level!"

"Having bodies helps to an extent, but is not an end-all solution. The more we have, the less effect we will see. To increase your income, you would have to spend some essence spreading your sphere as Cim or Gruel have.

If you plan on fighting the Null directly you will end up disappointed. That plan is foolish. Even if we became strong enough to defeat them if they ever stepped foot into the Bubble, they can simply move our Bubble an inch and destroy everything inside it. Or pop it. Or a dozen other things we wouldn't be able to stop without enough knowlage. It would get us killed, without scratching the Null."

Speaking of fighting the void, why don't we distract them from our bubble?

Serac says
"We cannot kill even a single null. It's impossible.
Think about this, there are infinite bubbles. Void cultists exist in bubbles. Therefore, all nulls have infinite essence from the infinite cultists. And that's not even including void energy...

Only a null can possibly defeat a null."

So, we need to get them to ignore us somehow!

"Its your fault they noticed us in the first place, Serac. The original Sin of our bubble. What do you mean by distracting them?'

[LuckyKobold]

Speaking of fighting the void, why don't we distract them from our bubble?

Serac says
"We cannot kill even a single null. It's impossible.
Think about this, there are infinite bubbles. Void cultists exist in bubbles. Therefore, all nulls have infinite essence from the infinite cultists. And that's not even including void energy...

Only a null can possibly defeat a null."

So, we need to get them to ignore us somehow!

"Excellent Point, How should we go about doing this?"

"Of Course not, We need more Essence income so that we'll be able to fight them on their level!"

"Having bodies helps to an extent, but is not an end-all solution. The more we have, the less effect we will see. To increase your income, you would have to spend some essence spreading your sphere as Cim or Gruel have.

If you plan on fighting the Null directly you will end up disappointed. That plan is foolish. Even if we became strong enough to defeat them if they ever stepped foot into the Bubble, they can simply move our Bubble an inch and destroy everything inside it. Or pop it. Or a dozen other things we wouldn't be able to stop without enough knowlage. It would get us killed, without scratching the Null."

Speaking of fighting the void, why don't we distract them from our bubble?

Serac says
"We cannot kill even a single null. It's impossible.
Think about this, there are infinite bubbles. Void cultists exist in bubbles. Therefore, all nulls have infinite essence from the infinite cultists. And that's not even including void energy...

Only a null can possibly defeat a null."

So, we need to get them to ignore us somehow!

"Its your fault they noticed us in the first place, Serac. The original Sin of our bubble. What do you mean by distracting them?'

"I have been spreading my spheres but thank you for your opinion."

[Andres]

Malakath finds a book in the Divine Library relating to Cosmic magic, its relation to gods and Essence, and a god's ability to use Cosmic magic. She also finds a text to see if it's possible for a god to get soul-burnout from overusing magic and Cosmic magic especially.

[Quartz_Mace]

Speaking of fighting the void, why don't we distract them from our bubble?

Serac says
"We cannot kill even a single null. It's impossible.
Think about this, there are infinite bubbles. Void cultists exist in bubbles. Therefore, all nulls have infinite essence from the infinite cultists. And that's not even including void energy...

Only a null can possibly defeat a null."

So, we need to get them to ignore us somehow!

"What if we become the Null?

When you think about it, We're not that different. We are semi-omniscient beings with great power relative to mortals, and we confined to Bubbles with spheres of influence to which we center around. We gain Essence, which is similar to Void energy, from worship.

The Null are fully-omniscient beings. They have great power relative to us and extreme power relative to mortals. They belong to no Bubbles and have no specific spheres of influence. They harvest near-infinite Void energy at whim, but cannot apply it directly to Bubbles unless they have influence in them. They gain Bubble influence through mortal worship.

What if an extremely powerful god were to remove their spheres and eject themselves from the Bubble? Theoretically, should they survive the transfer, they could hen harvest Void energy and become one of the Null.

Perhaps we can join them, since we clearly cannot beat them."

[Andres]

"Nulls have spheres."

EDIT: (420 blaze it!)

[Stirk]

"What if we become the Null?

"Your knowlage on Null is rather lax. This would likely get us killed, with no real gain. Though there is at least one theory that the Null used to be or are Gods of the Greater Bubble, though there is no evidence of that yet."

When you think about it, We're not that different. We are semi-omniscient beings with great power relative to mortals, and we confined to Bubbles with spheres of influence to which we center around. We gain Essence, which is similar to Void energy, from worship.

"We are nowhere near Omniscient. The things we know are completely eclipsed by the things we don't. If we where semi-omniscient, we would likely be able to know what to do about the Void. Essence is almost the same thing as Void Energy, which you are right about, though not in the way you believed."

The Null are fully-omniscient beings. They have great power relative to us and extreme power relative to mortals. They belong to no Bubbles and have no specific spheres of influence. They harvest near-infinite Void energy at whim, but cannot apply it directly to Bubbles unless they have influence in them. They gain Bubble influence through mortal worship.

"Likewise, the Null are not All-knowing either. They aren't even most knowing. They do belong to the Greater Bubble, and each one has a sphere of influence like we do. As I said before, you don't understand anything about them."

Perhaps we can join them, since we clearly cannot beat them."

"It may be possible, but in the end we would be the weakest Null in existence. We would be forced to either pick a side in the conflict, destroying us, or not associate with anything, destroying us. It would also mean abandoning our followers, our bubble, and essentially going mad. Our existence would become meaninglessness, we would be Demons as they are."

[Quartz_Mace]

"What if we become the Null?

"Your knowlage on Null is rather lax. This would likely get us killed, with no real gain. Though there is at least one theory that the Null used to be or are Gods of the Greater Bubble, though there is no evidence of that yet."

When you think about it, We're not that different. We are semi-omniscient beings with great power relative to mortals, and we confined to Bubbles with spheres of influence to which we center around. We gain Essence, which is similar to Void energy, from worship.

"We are nowhere near Omniscient. The things we know are completely eclipsed by the things we don't. If we where semi-omniscient, we would likely be able to know what to do about the Void. Essence is almost the same thing as Void Energy, which you are right about, though not in the way you believed."

The Null are fully-omniscient beings. They have great power relative to us and extreme power relative to mortals. They belong to no Bubbles and have no specific spheres of influence. They harvest near-infinite Void energy at whim, but cannot apply it directly to Bubbles unless they have influence in them. They gain Bubble influence through mortal worship.

"Likewise, the Null are not All-knowing either. They aren't even most knowing. They do belong to the Greater Bubble, and each one has a sphere of influence like we do. As I said before, you don't understand anything about them."

Perhaps we can join them, since we clearly cannot beat them."

"It may be possible, but in the end we would be the weakest Null in existence. We would be forced to either pick a side in the conflict, destroying us, or not associate with anything, destroying us. It would also mean abandoning our followers, our bubble, and essentially going mad. Our existence would become meaninglessness, we would be Demons as they are."

"Oh sorry.(sarcasm) I got one detail on the Nulls wrong, thus everything else I said must be utterly wrong.

Sorry, I think disembodied would be a better term than omniscient.

We have bodies, but we can also influence things through Essence rather than just manually changing them. The Null, as far as we know, do not have bodies that can manifest themselves inside Bubbles, except the Greater Bubble.

"I'm not saying that becoming Null is our only option for survival, but it should be possible and we should look into it."

[IcyTea31]

"I actually have a plan ready to kill any single Null, but they would probably learn to defend against it after the first time, and directly murder me and everyone I've associated with."

"Becoming Null, or at least a Null-like being, is definitely possible, right away if one wanted to, but as Fusil said, it would be a Very Bad Idea. One could take the golden mean between Void and Essence, but that would functionally double every cost of either energy, which would be a Bad Idea. You can count on me to do neither. I wouldn't even need to, considering with my sphere of Order and nothing but Essence I can perform half the things I could with Void Energy."

[Kilojoule Proton]

Tick 103: Live by the dice

Sappira has been recreated to the best of Malakath, Cyrix, and Azem's ability.

(I cannot help but notice that Serac's temple has been thoroughly demolished. Either Serac decided to build another one despite the backlash from the others or or you're not being selective enough with your lynching. )

This update's constellations are the Rose and Claw.

(Malakath: -1E, Cyrix: -1E, Azem: -1E)

Spoiler: Features (click to show/hide)

Skyfeatures: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=144704.msg5731808#msg5731808 (maintained by Happerry/Anath)
Skyfeatures: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=144704.msg5842048#msg5842048 (maintained by Andres/Yaos/Malakath)
Bestiary: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=144651.msg5779202;topicseen#msg5779202 (maintained by Andres/Yaos/Malakath)
Bestiary: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=144704.msg5966457#msg5966457 (maintained by Cptn Kaladin Anrizlokum/Atropos)

Spoiler: Deities (click to show/hide)

Cim the Lawgiver (Order, Law): 28/49, 15-16
Fusil (Weapons): 19/29, 9-10
Azem (Wealth, Trade): 62/63, 8-9
Khaziraad (Architecture, Improvement): 13/31, 7-8
Kli (Balance, Sacrifice): 73/73, 6-7
Grauel (Hunger, Decay): 44/44, 17-18
Serac (Oceans, Bubbles): 5/27, 0-0
The Light (Light): 56/56, 6-7
Joha (Life): 51/51, 10-11
Neron (Ice): 9/24, 7-8
Darruth (Goodness, Protection): 8/27, 8-9
Quéßäre (Deception, Guile): 27/27, 6-7
KI'Tork (Kitchens, Satisfaction): 10/22, 8-9
Malakath (Souls, Blood): 19/23, 6-7
Atropos (Death, Dust): 8/31, 7-8
Melyssa (Torture): 23/23, 3-4
Fortuna (Luck): 8/22, 7-8
Raptil (Hunting): 22/23, 1-2
Cyrix (Harvest): 15/20, 4-5
Xaver (Resilience, Strength): 20/20, 0-1

Malakath (Souls, Blood): 20/23, 6-7 (Safe stasis)
Neron (Ice): 9/24, 7-8 (Safe stasis)
Artisanii (Arts, Inspiration): 24/24, 2-3 (Sealed away)
Varee (Randomness): 6/31, 3-4 (Sealed away)
Carmine (Exploration, Science): 21/21, 1-2 (Sealed away)

Spoiler: Council rules (click to show/hide)

These are all subject to addition, removal, and change by you. They can effect changes in the game's core rules (mechanics), administrative laws (voting requirements, seniority privilegs, &c.) or the natural rules (light does not exist, gravity is repulsive, giant animals can fly like birds, &c.).
`Administrative:
A bill must be supported by at least 50% of active players to pass if unopposed.

A bill must achieve 60% support in order to pass if opposed.

Players may flame the host if he has been inactive for at least two (2) UTC days.

Council resolutions will not be counted until at least a major tick has passed.

Council-produced creations are not to be tampered with without council approval. Failure to comply will result in the automated initiation of a trial.

03.01: Only deities supporting a proposal enter the Essence pool

04.03: Remove proposals stagnant for 3 ticks or double opposed to supported for 1 tick <0>

Proposals at [IMMINENT PASS] will pass immediately if 80% of the Support or Oppose votes are Support votes.

34.05: A trial will end after 2 integer ticks (from Tx to Tx+2) with votes tallied based solely on support and opposition. Conflict results in comparing support and opposition.

Starter Code of Conduct:
I. Thou Shall Not Cause Megadeaths Or Extinction Events
II. Thou Shall Not Seek the Death of Another God
III. Thou Shall Not Force Mortals To Worship You
IV. Thou Shall Not Force Mortals Not To Worship Other Gods
V. Thou Shall Not Break The Universe

Active players are those who have posted in the last three (3) UTC days.

35.01: Arrange for a Void study committee
36.00.1: Trials held for assault, murder, or attempted murder last only for a tick (4-2/13) [EXTEND TO T42] [PASSED]

Natural:
02.00.b: Created race(s) is not/are not all immortal <?>
02.01.a: Sapients and not sentients are the dominant mortals to be created <?>
02.02: Support reincarnation in general <0-1>
02.02.1: Support looped reincarnation (i.e. between two worlds)
02.04: Create a spirit and a corporeal realm <48/77, (6-7/11-13)>
02.04.1: Bifurcate corporeal realm <6-7 (0-1)>
03.06: Make constellations without needing council permission
02.01.a.2: Support free will for mortals <0>
03.04.1: 03.04 for first two planets <0>
03.00: Build 3 million sapient humanoids evenly split between Material World 1 and Material World
02.03: Create up to ~30 total immortal, godinalized servants <13-14 (3-4)>
02.04.3: Support further amendment to Valkiss' proposal <?>
03.06.1: Make magical constellations that influence magic on the worlds
03.09: Name the two partitions Keshan and Slytha
04.01: Create grand ecumenical temples for every race <High 3-4>
12.01: Anath's five-part starter code of conduct
18.01: Create monstrous flora and fauna <?>

21.00: Make a gas giant for each system <15-16 (2-3)>
24.00: Create the Plane of Death and Battle <1-2 (0-1)>

35.00: Put constellations in order and in a cycle as opposed to randomly
35.01: Arrange for a Void study committee
40.00: New races must not be negatively acted upon from the mortals' perspective for at least 3 ticks

43.01: Refill the Library's supply of Void books
66.00: Disband the Human Empire and grant the citizens self-determination
75.01: Have non-votes count as Abstains

79.01: Contain the summoning/Void activity <4 (2)>

80.02.4: As above but for 4 ticks
80.05.2: Proposals require seconding by two other gods to pass
80.06: Resolve proposals at tick n+3 at the earliest
79.05: Silence Fusil permanently
85.01: Insta-pass proposals supported by 75% of active deities
85.00: Forbid Void-worshippers from using magic
86.00: Lift the limitation on magic
86.01: Encourage mortals to petition gods for magic
88.01: Burn the Lich!
95.00.1: 95.00 refers only to Darruth and Malakath
97.00: Have a celebration for the 100th tick
80.05.2.2: A total of 3 gods must support a proposal to allow the possibility of passing based on votes
100.01: Return Sappira to Azem in prime condition <4 (1)> (3-1) [SUCCESS]

Spoiler: Council proposals (10) (click to show/hide)

100.00: Give emperor immortality (3-4) [DEAD]
+3 from Neron, Khaziraad, Melyssa
-4 from Malakath, Fortuna, Darruth, Khaziraad

100.01: Return Sappira to Azem in prime condition <4 (1)> (3-1) [SUCCESS]
+3 from Malakath, Cyrix, Azem
-1 from Fortuna

101.00: Shove the Merfolk Emperor into the Void and paradox him <?> (1-1) [IMMINENT FAIL]
+1 from Darruth
-2 from Malakath, Fortuna

101.01: Permakill the Merman Emperor <?> (1-2) [IMMINENT FAIL]
+1 from Malakath
-3 from Joha, KI'Tork, Fortuna

101.02: Have all gods know the Merman's motives <?> (3-1) [IMMINENT SUCCESS?]
+3? from Malakath, KI'Tork?, Azem
-1 from Fortuna

101.03: Malakath donates 3E every time she says "chi" (1-3) [IMMINENT FAIL]
+1 from Fusil
-3 from Malakath, Darruth, Joha

101.04: Fusil donates 1E to the Council and 2E to OWF every time he makes a threat (1-2) [IMMINENT FAIL]
+1 from Malakath
-2 from Fusil, Darruth

101.05: Any time Malakath makes an annoying, useless, or otherwise pointless proposal, she is forced to oppose it and must donate 20E to BAD (2-2) [IMMINENT SUCCESS]
+3 from Fusil, Joha, Fortuna
-2 from Darruth, Malakath

101.06: Ignore and block proposals from gods using proposals in an argument (2-1) [IMMINENT DEATH]
+2 from Cyrix, Joha
-2 from Fusil, Fortuna

101.07: Silence Fusil (1-2) [IMMINENT FAIL]
+1 from Quéßäre
-4 from Atropos, Fusil, KI'Tork, Fortuna

102.00: Send spies to see if the Merfolk emperor is up to no good (1-0)
+1 from Melyssa

102.01: Imprison the Merman Emperor and question him (1-0)

Spoiler: New Proposals (2) (click to show/hide)

102.00: Send spies to see if the Merfolk emperor is up to no good (1-0)
+1 from Melyssa

102.01: Imprison the Merman Emperor and question him (1-0)

New players are always welcome. Sphere ideas this tick are Thralldom, Rivers, Travel, and Air. Opposing sphere ideas this tick are Fleeing and Wisdom.

[Cryxis, Prince of Doom]

Propagate Sewa and Guardians with 3E allow them to expand their city, and listen to their messages/prayers

[LuckyKobold]

KI'Tork attempts to talk to the Ice MegaBeast.

[LuckyKobold]

KI'Tork also attempts to make it rain happy dust worldwide on both worlds for one week and tells everyone he did it.

[Stirk]

Propagate Sewa and Guardians with 3E allow them to expand their city, and listen to their messages/prayers

(If you propagate them all at once, it will have a greater effect. Eg, 3E then 3E will be significantly less then just propagating by 6E)

[Playergamer]

Xaver appears out of void.

"...Hello?"

[Stirk]

"Oh, another new God. I was wondering when you would show up. Welcome, not much is happening right now. I suggest you read over the proposals and vote on them, before they all die.

By not much, I mean an army of Mermen just took over one of the two worlds. If you have any questions, feel free to ask and the Council will answer. Also, don't make me angry or you die. "