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[BFEL]

Basically this is just a suggestion that there should be some option to start an adventure or fortress as the first, or at least one of the first, creatures/civilizations in the world.

Currently there is generally a year or two of worldgen going on before you can start up, and I think it would be fun to fully be part of the "first generation" and to more fully control the way the world eventually develops.

Bonus points if you can set some morals and etc. for the civilization on startup, instead of them being tied fully to race (though that may count as a totally different suggestion)

[Chevaleresse]

Generating a one-year world is exactly what this is, though. Check the descriptions of your dwarves; they'll all have "appears to be XX years old and is one of the first of his/her kind."

[GavJ]

Generating a one-year world is exactly what this is, though. Check the descriptions of your dwarves; they'll all have "appears to be XX years old and is one of the first of his/her kind."

No it's not what he's suggesting. You still get invasions, caravans, and feel less special deep in the cockles of your roleplaying heart.

[BFEL]

Yeah, when you gen a one-year world currently, all the trappings of civilization just magically POOF into existence.

I'm suggesting that you should be able to be there for the founding of the first civ, you should be able to watch Mormul McFullofSelf create the title of Master through force of arms, etc.

A current one-year world already has a enormous amount of history jammed into it that you're FORCED to miss.

The world in the "Age of Myth" should feel primordial and wild. It shouldn't pop into existence with a full history of civilization behind it.

renaming thread to be less ambiguous.

[GavJ]

A current one-year world already has a enormous amount of history jammed into it that you're FORCED to miss.

And having that not be true would require an enormous amoutn of history that Toady would be FORCED to spend time programming, even though the large majority of players would probably skip over it because they want to have caravans and invasions and things.

That is likely wasteful effort, from a gameplay perspective. I do like the concept of being able to play this way, but the minor novelty of it compared to the huge relative effort means I'd think it should go a ways back on the back burner, personally.

[Ribs]

Why not "create" a civilization after worldgen?

There could be a scenario where not all races/civilizations came to be at the same time. Maybe you could start the game at year 200 and have an option to "create" a new dwarven civ, fresh out of the oven. That way you could start a fortress with exactly every dwarf in your civilization in an already existing world, with an already existing history.

[pisskop]

Why not "create" a civilization after worldgen?

There could be a scenario where not all races/civilizations came to be at the same time. Maybe you could start the game at year 200 and have an option to "create" a new dwarven civ, fresh out of the oven. That way you could start a fortress with exactly every dwarf in your civilization in an already existing world, with an already existing history.

If Im not reading this wrong, he wants to create a civ at year -1.  Most FBs, titans, and other such things come into existence then, despite being born hundreds of years earlier.

I like the idea of founding the mountainhomes where you see fit (read: a mountain or other entity-allowed location), but Im not sure that could be done by Toady without special work on it.