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[tompliss]

It looks like a couple people have already got forts already up and gathering, which is another caveat.

Uh... We're at turn 13. The game has started more than a year ago.
You should have a fort already up (or two being built). There may be a few exceptions (if you choose a "bad" nation, or if you're really capital centered for unit production), but with our nation knowledge ...

[lijacote]

Spoiler: MY ONLY WEAKNESS (click to show/hide)

I do not have a second fort, and that's because my expansion has been horrible on the island. I am next to two thrones with forces that I could not take without crippling losses, and my start position had a special lamia province next to it. So 50% of the provinces I was next to were not available for expansion, and the rest of the provinces were not connected. One of which was a dead-end expansion-wise, too. It's not that my nation is bad at expanding, or weak otherwise, but the circumstances have forced my hand. I think I have caught up now, but still.

[Culise]

It looks like a couple people have already got forts already up and gathering, which is another caveat.

Uh... We're at turn 13. The game has started more than a year ago.
You should have a fort already up (or two being built). There may be a few exceptions (if you choose a "bad" nation, or if you're really capital centered for unit production), but with our nation knowledge ...

I know, and I believe I've already harped on my own weakness in this thread quite enough; no one's interested in hearing me chatter on about how I'm stuck at -15% income for the nth time.  I just mention it as a caveat because, while I'm not certain about you, I can't tell the difference between a capital fort and a non-capital fort at a glance.

That said, I only spotted five nations with active or apparent construction work being done on secondary forts this turn.  That's obviously not exhaustive, though.

EDIT:

Spoiler: MY ONLY WEAKNESS (click to show/hide)

I do not have a second fort, and that's because my expansion has been horrible on the island. I am next to two thrones with forces that I could not take without crippling losses, and my start position had a special lamia province next to it. So 50% of the provinces I was next to were not available for expansion, and the rest of the provinces were not connected. One of which was a dead-end expansion-wise, too. It's not that my nation is bad at expanding, or weak otherwise, but the circumstances have forced my hand. I think I have caught up now, but still.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Yeah, you got stuck in an awful corner.  I think you could still pull out, but it's going to take quite a bit more finesse than, say, Agor or Illen would need.

EDIT 2: Deadline in three hours, and nation 2 has not submitted.  Requesting an extension.

[lijacote]

I've done mine now, sorry! For the next turn as well! I am a bad boy.

[Bluerobin]

If anyone wants any of Illen's (E. Albright's) provinces, they should be up for the taking in the next turn or two!

[E. Albright]

Mind you, including sea provinces, I started with only two provinces between myself and my nearest neighbor, so there may have been some clustering involved.

Two provinces? Bah. Ample space. The capital of Illen has but one province between it and the serpent's nest in Midmatia.

I just mention it as a caveat because, while I'm not certain about you, I can't tell the difference between a capital fort and a non-capital fort at a glance.

Look at the fort details. Starting forts will be fully developed, and for that matter, will be situated in provinces with the same name as the nation.

Haha that's still not fully established. My hydras may have accidentally eaten a small army last turn when we both moved to take the same province.

Please. Accidentally? The army your slavering sycophantic toadies so treacherously slew had moved into the adjoining province the month before. The only independent province they could move to was the one directly north, while your conniving minions had two other independent lands to choose from, yet you neither attacked one of them nor broke your stubborn diplomatic silence. Your choice to attempt to glorify your mediocrity by stifling and undercutting bold individuals who were willing to strike out and make their own accomplishments rather than sniveling and leeching away the value created by their betters was anything but an accident. If your disingenuous, unimaginative lackeys in Midmatia seek to prevent the daring innovators in Illen from realizing their full potential, you'll get the war you're so plainly seeking.

[Culise]

I just mention it as a caveat because, while I'm not certain about you, I can't tell the difference between a capital fort and a non-capital fort at a glance.

Look at the fort details. Starting forts will be fully developed, and for that matter, will be situated in provinces with the same name as the nation.

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I did not even think to check the province names.  I'm so used to maps where all the provinces have predefined names. >_<

[USEC_OFFICER]

Well, the map does have predefined names. It's just that in this case they're overwritten by the nation's name. I definitely know what you're talking about though, and it is pretty annoying.

[E. Albright]

In your defense, it was only in the last patch or two that capital names started overwriting pre-defined province names.

[Delta Foxtrot]

Postponing by 10h to be on the safe side.

[Karlito]

tompliss: wut?

[tompliss]

eh eh <3

I wanted to see whether that would work as well as I though. Seems so.

I don't think I'll keep them here anyway

[E. Albright]

Patch is out. Might wanna delay the game 'til we know it's stable.

[USEC_OFFICER]

I... What? What has been patched? Last I checked the 4.11 patch was still in beta, and I can't see anything about a new patch being released.

[Culise]

Ping.  Literally 12 minutes ago, apparently.