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[Frumple]

... I like the Gregorian chant stuff, m'self. And E Nomine's rendition of the Lord's Prayer >_>

More locally, some of the more african influenced american-side gospel is pretty damn pumpin'. Like, church don't just sing, they gotta' get up and dance, too, sorta' stuff. Can be nice. Joyful, y'know?

It's not like the stuff as a whole is dead to me, personally, it's just that most of the stuff I actually hear on the ground (and on the radio, because gods fuck radio gospel in this area is just horrific. Also prolific, which makes it worse.) is kinda' shit. Have to drive, like, hours to run into good stuff. Or hop the pond.

[Graknorke]

I've found that being in a church just makes bad singers feel like they should be singing more enthusiastically (read: loudly). And since churches are full of old people who as a group don't really care about such things at the best of times, it ends up being pretty caterwaul-y. Not necessarily that the music's bad, but it could probably do without the people.

Also, I should note that I'm no longer an agnostic. I'm fairly certain that by this stage I have full blown atheism, heh.

* Graknorke's eye twitches

[TD1]

Can you explain your eye twitch, please?

[Graknorke]

Can you explain your eye twitch, please?

Agnosticism and atheism are not mutually exclusive. Indeed, they generally go together. I've definitely never seen a position for gnostic atheism that made any real sense.

[TD1]

I was making a joke on "full blown atheism" such as a "Full blown [InsertDiseaseName]

I was essentially saying that my agnostic belief has turned into an atheist one. A reference to "full blown" wasn't indicating I believed agnosticism to be a half-way house.

No one has ever accused me of having a good sense of humour

[timferius]

I'm no expert but to me they breakdown as such:

Agnostic: Does not believe in organized religion, or any specific set of religious beliefs, but acknowledges the likely existence of some form of higher power.

Atheist: Does not believe in any form of higher power.

Not sure on the actual definitions, but this seems to be the generally accepted public perception from where I'm standing.

[TD1]

For me:

Agnosticism: There is neither evidence to disprove nor prove God.

Atheism: There is evidence to disprove God.

[Graknorke]

Gnosticism refers to belief on the ability to know a thing for certain, while theism refers to belief in a god.
I know a few agnostic theists, for example, who say they don't know for sure that there is a god and know they can't prove it, but choose to believe regardless.

[timferius]

Ah, well, that was more informative than frothing from the mouth in the corner 
Honestly though, it's easy to fall in to the habit of thinking that, because you know something, people are trying to be ignorant by not knowing it. In this case, I've just never looked in to it very much because it doesn't really apply to me one way or another (I have, since my absconding from the Catholic church, developed my own personal belief system). The best cure for ignorance is education.
Either way, I've learnt my new thing for the day.

[scrdest]

For me:

Agnosticism: There is neither evidence to disprove nor prove God.

Atheism: There is evidence to disprove God.

By that definition, there would be no rational atheists. If God exists, any evidence to disprove said existence would be wrong, and if he doesn't, it's impossible to disprove as he's pushed to the gaps and statistical uncertainties - at least if believers are to be... well, believed.

Agnosticism, technically, is the belief in the impossibility to prove or disprove god. I can't know, not I don't know. It's compatible with both theism and atheism, and within that framework, either is equally valid.

Atheism, technically, is just lack of belief in god(s). It's compatible with both agnostic and... I'm not sure if 'gnostic' would work here, but with the belief that we CAN disprove God's existence.

Of course, we don't have a handy good-sounding word for 'undecided re: metaphysics of divinity', so people with a fast and loose approach to definitions used agnosticism and Shit got Muddled.

[MonkeyHead]

Allow me to post this handy reference chart. As a good scientist, I find myself in the Agnostic Atheist corner. Militantly so in terms of speaking out against any bad acts carried out that are justified by religion, nevertheless.

Spoiler:  Spoiled for bigness (click to show/hide)

[Graknorke]

Ah, well, that was more informative than frothing from the mouth in the corner 

I guess I assumed I'd banged on about it enough, being anal about definitions and all. Overcompensation for that, then.

[TD1]

Ah, then I'm an agnostic atheist

[timferius]

Ah, well, that was more informative than frothing from the mouth in the corner 

I guess I assumed I'd banged on about it enough, being anal about definitions and all. Overcompensation for that, then.

Sorry if that came across a bit blunt... I meant it in understanding/funny way, not a like "you suck and overreact" way.

[Orange Wizard]

Is it just me, or is that chart very subtly saying that gnostics are dumbasses?