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[Leafsnail]

The Red Moon is involved in the sixth seal.

I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red

That sounds kindof like it's describing a simultaneous solar and lunar eclipse, which uh... hasn't happened, and isn't exactly likely to happen.

Ultimately though I'm not really willing to humour this part of the Bible, it reads like some drug-induced hallucination or dream and I don't see what it's supposed to be teaching you.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Revelation sounds like it was a drug hallucination because it probably was. John of Patmos was exiled to the titular island, which was not particularly hospitable and may have played host to a species of highly psychoactive mushrooms. Revelation indeed.

[Gnorm]

The Revelation isn't really supposed to teach any lessons. Rather, it exists as a prophecy of the Apocalypse. Personally, I don't view it as any crazier than Judges, which includes a man whose hair gives them super-strength, or the Gospels, where Jesus literally rises from the grave. Also, the Bible is believed to be inspired by God Himself, therefore whether or not St. John the Divine was partaking in substance abuse.

[RedKing]

The Red Moon is involved in the sixth seal.

I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red

That sounds kindof like it's describing a simultaneous solar and lunar eclipse, which uh... hasn't happened, and isn't exactly likely to happen.

Ultimately though I'm not really willing to humour this part of the Bible, it reads like some drug-induced hallucination or dream and I don't see what it's supposed to be teaching you.

It was added to give future metal bands vivid imagery for their album covers. Because Jesus is fucking metal.

[Orange Wizard]

I try to steer clear of Revelation whenever possible. Sometimes it's interesting looking at specific sections in detail, but for the most part, it's just indecipherable.

man whose hair gives them super-strength

But then Samson's hair was cut off, and he still managed to tear down a temple and kill everyone inside.

...

But yeah, I'm not going to deny that 90% of the Bible's stories are ridiculous.

[Cptn Kaladin Anrizlokum]

... yeah, if we're talking an omnipotent/omniscient being deciding not to intervene in people's suffering to prevent their personal boredom, that's. Kinda' horrific, Cpt. Though if they're omnipotent, by all rights they should just be able to turn their boredom off, indefinitely.

If nothing bad ever happened, what would be the point of Earth? I believe humanity has free will, and that making it so nothing bad ever happened would remove that completely. Wasn't that why Satan was exiled? For trying to remove people's free will?

Being able to do anything doesn't always mean you should. He isn't going to intervene with suffering because it would invalidate life.

[RedKing]

Wasn't that why Satan was exiled? For trying to remove people's free will?

In most Abrahamic traditions, Satan was cast out for refusing to kneel (in Christian traditions, to God; in Islamic traditions, to Adam).

[Frumple]

Being able to do anything doesn't always mean you should. He isn't going to intervene with suffering because it would invalidate life.

*shrugs* Then that makes god a complete fucking monster.

There's plenty that could be the point of earth. Life, living, art, happiness, discovery, joy, etc., etc., etc. We could have all that without stillbirths and SIDS, amongst all the other stuff that does absolutely jack shit beyond make life worse. There's a lot of misery in this world that involves no free will whatsoever. Just chance and suffering. A mother's life is not invalidated by not having to bury their newborn. A person's life is not invalidated by not being bitten by a deadly snake in their sleep. Not invalidated by not being struck by lightning, and the list goes on, and on, and on. To not intervene in things like that, when you have the power? That is explicitly equivalent to watching a child's roller go off a cliff when you have complete capability to prevent it.

As for ol' scrotch, nah, everything I'm seeing is saying the exile was because of attempted usurpation of God's power. Didn't really see anything about free will. Though, my own memories of the story are telling me lucy was cast down for refusing to bow to mankind and place itself subservient to them. Might be something local, or just getting interference from some form of non-biblical fiction. Fakedit: And then RK ninja's that. Any idea where in the text that's mentioned?

[Cheeetar]

I'm fairly sure Satan himself was a pretty minor character in the main books, and played bigger role in the fanfic.

[Cptn Kaladin Anrizlokum]

Being able to do anything doesn't always mean you should. He isn't going to intervene with suffering because it would invalidate life.

*shrugs* Then that makes god a complete fucking monster.

There's plenty that could be the point of earth. Life, living, art, happiness, discovery, joy, etc., etc., etc. We could have all that without stillbirths and SIDS, amongst all the other stuff that does absolutely jack shit beyond make life worse. There's a lot of misery in this world that involves no free will whatsoever. Just chance and suffering. A mother's life is not invalidated by not having to bury their newborn. A person's life is not invalidated by not being bitten by a deadly snake in their sleep. Not invalidated by being struck by lightning, and the list goes on, and on, and on. To not intervene in things like that, when you have the power? That is explicitly equivalent to watching a child's roller go off a cliff when you have complete capability to prevent it.

Well, I don't see death as a big deal personally, and that is probably messing up what I'm saying. Because death isn't permanent. If I died today, I wouldn't just be gone.
And if nothing bad ever happened in a life, what would there be that made it good? It simply becomes neutral.

And I will also say, I was referring to things like shootings or drunk drivers in my first post. Or really anything humans directly cause, not "natural" events.

I don't know, maybe Satan is just like that in the Mormon teachings?

[Frumple]

There is such a thing as good and more good, Cp. Just because there is no bad in a given scenario, does not mean there would be no good. You can have degrees of pleasure without needing pain to validate it, and most things follow similar patterns. It's admittedly not an easy thing for the human mind to really wrap itself around -- we're very focused on binary logic -- but I see no reason why an all powerful being couldn't have instead created minds that, well, weren't like ours, in that manner. Or just let us suck it up and deal with a somewhat less immediately understandable but considerably less needlessly painful existence.

There's considerably more to it than just death, though. There's people that are born such that what life they have is unending agony and pain, and people who come to that state through no fault of their own. There is little good that can be said of an entity that allows such things. There is no gain from that. No contrast that couldn't be gained through paths that caused much, much less harm.

Even without the complete secession of bad things, though, there is still much room for the prevention of those acts of suffering which involve no free will, if you were going to go down the path that consequence of action is important. For growth of the person or whathaveyou. Or the lessening of suffering in general. You don't have to cut off a person's hand to teach them touching fire is bad, but things like that is often what happens in life.

[Phmcw]

A religion is pick and choose in its essence. No one repect the ban on lobster (and everything that come from water and don't have scales) which is given on the same breath as the one on homosexuality. Christians sects can have less in common than sect of other faith (especially muslims) for instance, American keep babbling about the apocalypse something non existant in europe (but who make us laugh a lot, keep at it).

Now I consider modern Christianity as some Christians consider homosexuality : a sin against reason that should be frowned upon, but I don't hate Christians themselves. I just thing they are doing the wrong thing, morally and intelectually. I'm sure Chrisitans here understand the unease of homosexual around them, now.



About homosexuality in Christianity, I think it's, like monogamy, linked to stds. Priests forbade most sex, especially anal say who was always dangerous in the day of no antibiotics, E-coli infection on the dick isn't nice, and anal to vaginal can cause problems. Back in the days, Priest were the smart men.

Now that we have condoms, use them and there is no reaon not to have sex. Christians seems to be getting over it, but at the same time we're getting over Christianity, at least in Europe.

[scrdest]

I'm fairly sure Satan himself was a pretty minor character in the main books, and played bigger role in the fanfic.

Half the things that are 'common knowledge' about the bible stem from what's essentially fanfics. Not to mention that the very existence of canon means that even a century after Jesus's death, there ALREADY were piles upon piles of fanfics, so much that as far as we know we might've discarded a completely legit book or two, because some scholars decided they are fanfics and then they got lost forever.

[Cryxis, Prince of Doom]

I was under the impression that there were seven seals, and I do not recall the first having anything to do with the moon.

Sorry everyone drowsy me posted some not so accurate info last night
So later today (when I'm using an actual computer) I will try to post links to what i was trying to say


Sorry for the incorrect info

[Cryxis, Prince of Doom]

As somebody who doesn't follow your particular branch of religion, I'm going to burn in hell for eternity regardless of whether or not I bang sexy dudes, but I still have a question for you, Cryxis.
Why is it that sexy men having sexy sex with each other is unholy?

Well a few things
One- The sexual acts are outside of marriage so that's not ok
Two- I believe homosexual activities (the thought isn't good either bit not as bad so to speak) are a sin
Three- homosexuality serves no use and god intended it to be one woman and one man in holy matrimony

Genesis 2:22-24
Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.  The man said, "This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called 'woman, ' for she was taken out of man."  For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.

That is my opinion, please take no offense to it as I will try to take no offense to anyone else's opinion