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[Sarmatian123]

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[Il Palazzo]

Oh, sorry. When I said 'I want to hear more about' this shit, I actually meant 'take your crackpottery elsewhere'.

[Rolan7]

I'm kinda glad we got an outright racist perspective just as a reminder of how widespread the problem is.  I'd be more worried if they actually made persuasive arguments instead of just listing ridiculous claims and conspiracies.  Note how they immediately retreat to defending some common-sense statement that has nothing to do with what anyone said:  "Genetics is not racism. Everyone has right to know their mother and father."  How is one to respond to that?  Trick question, because the reply has already been formulated.  Our words are irrelevant.

[WealthyRadish]

I think we should chill a bit and enjoy the moment. The other guys saying Floyd had it coming and that black people should be more grateful for all their undeserved help from the police aren't going to be nearly as interesting.

A bit more seriously, it doesn't feel right to dismiss a person's experience with racism living in Europe if it could maybe be shared without this weird ultra-nationalism and virulent anti-antifascism.

[SOLDIER First]

Reported again.

[Bumber]

I can't even understand Sarmatian's posts well enough to determine if they're racist or not. There's a lot of conflation between Nazis, the USSR's Communist party, and actual socialism/liberalism. Then it seems to go off on a rambling tangent.

Reported again.

I'm pretty sure talking about reporting is frowned upon. It's off topic at best, antagonistic at worst.

[Reelya]

I think the most interesting point for me was definitely the one saying that we should have stuck with conservatism the whole time instead of inventing new systems. Point being, if that was the case we'd still be living in the feudal system or something. Definitely not the post-war economic consensus. The point is that we had the feudal system, and we don't now, not even conservatives support that now. But the key point is that conservatives did support that, and if we're saying we should have stuck with conservatives then of course we'd still have what they supported then, and not now. Back then a true conservative would say why abandon the feudal system, it works, and if there's a squeaky wheel then it can get some grease, no need to overturn everything and create a new system after all.

So we certainly wouldn't have anything resembling a modern industrial society if we'd stuck to our guns about not overturning old systems. Pretty much all of us would be indentured serfs living on our lord's land, but the lord would own factories that we work in instead of just farms, and you'd basically be raised and expected to work the factories (which make goods for the few wealthy city-dwellers and weapons for the nation) or serve in your lord's militia, and don't get any silly ideas about changing your lot in life. And we'd probably have a life expectancy of about 50. And the conservative writers of the day would nod that this is the way it's always been, this is the way it's always going to be.

If you say there's some point that things should have stopped socially progressing, where is that point? What conservatives believe in 2020? If so, why that point and not what conservatives were saying at any other point in history, which was in fact very different. Remember that conservatives were dead against both universal suffrage and women's suffrage. If we hadn't listened to the liberals, then the conservatives would have had it so only a wealthy elite get to vote. So ... rejecting all things liberal as unneeded would mean you reject at the very least universal voting, and possibly reject democracy completely if you want to go back a few decades earlier than that. Or is it that everything liberals came up with between 1800 and 1950 is ok, but for some reason anything from the 1960s civil rights era onwards is too much, then how is that justified on the basis of logic?

[Egan_BW]

Transhumanist Conservative: Believes that it is necessary for social and technological progress to me made up until the point that people are immortal and live in perfect harmony, and NO FURTHER.

[George_Chickens]

I can't even understand Sarmatian's posts well enough to determine if they're racist or not. There's a lot of conflation between Nazis, the USSR's Communist party, and actual socialism/liberalism. Then it seems to go off on a rambling tangent.

There's such a heavy dose of Ramblese and Slavglish here that I can't really tell the intent either. It's pretty eccentric, but I'm not sure it's racism, maybe just some really weird cultural chauvinism. He seems to be saying western European culture is 'bad' (and also responsible for bigotry in Poland and the Holocaust) because it has its origins in racism, that such problems of police brutality are a result of such culture,  but eastern European culture does not have such origins or issues because it's a union of cultures and ethnicities?

The genetics statement seems to me to be more of a refutation of racist views of one unitary supreme white race, genetically superior to the non-Europeans, by stating east Europeans themselves are heavily mixed.

The Jews statement is a little bizarre but I've heard it voiced before. There's a view in Eastern Europe, particularly among Russians, that Jews, being more integrated into the west and not directly, nationally associated with its enemies (the USSR & friends), were overrepresented at the expense of minimizing the tens of millions of Slavs murdered by the Nazis. It's an odd thing to bring up, but it's not an inherently antisemitic or racist thing, and I don't really expect a casual secondary speaker of English to fully grasp the cultural boundaries around such a statement.

[martinuzz]

Reported for racism and antisemitism

[Imic]

He’s been banned.

[Yoink]

...not even conservatives support that now.

Whoa whoa whoa, hang on. I haven't really given much/any thought to the idea of modern-day feudalism, but let's not just dismiss it out of hand.   
Monarchy is certainly superior to democracy, so who knows? Feudalism might be okay as well.   

[Enemy post]

...not even conservatives support that now.

Whoa whoa whoa, hang on. I haven't really given much/any thought to the idea of modern-day feudalism, but let's not just dismiss it out of hand.   
Monarchy is certainly superior to democracy, so who knows? Feudalism might be okay as well.   

Personally, I only support governments ruled by human-okapi hybrid overlords.

[martinuzz]

Yesterday, a majority of the Minneapolis city council has voted in favour of completely dismantling the Minneapolis police.
The city council members that voted in favour do admit that they do not have any concrete ideas on how to replace it with something new.
They said they want to discuss a new structure of public safety with the community.
"It is clear that the current police system is incapable of protecting our communities", says council president Lisa Bender. "Our attempts at gradual reform have failed".
last Saturday, the mayor of Minneapolis was hissed and boo'd by a sea of protestors when he said he did not support the complete dismantling of the police.

I do wonder how that is going to work in practice though. Who are people going to call when they get robbed, or when their child gets raped? Ghostbusters?

[scriver]

There's a number of ways this could end ugly (my immediate thought was civilian gardes springing up) so I hope it ends well. Change is direly needed, something has to be risked.

Edit: Minneapolis is not a crime centre by any means right? I mean, every big city has crime and bad areas. I'm thinking more like known known for it