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[Dunamisdeos]

Been lurking for a while.

PTW.

[Doomblade187]

Fuck, another Black man shot and killed by cops.

His name: Dana Sherrod Fletcher

[SalmonGod]

There's at least one video of the shooting up, and this post supposedly by the man's wife going around.

I am the wife of the victim that was shot and killed at the planet fitness in madison al earlier. My name is Cherelle Fletcher and the mans name, my husband, was DANA SHERROD FLETCHER. I was sitting in the driver seat of the van during the entire incident. I had just walked out of planet fitness from exercising. The officer refused to come on my side of the vehicle to talk and tried to stop my husband from closing his door. When my husband tried to close his door repeatedly, the officer continued to tell him not to try to close it, grabbed the door, and grabbed my husband. Another officer sicked a dog on Dana while sitting in the passenger seat. While at the same time, another officer came to the driver side door where i was sitting, pointed a gun at me and broke my driver window with a police stick then pulled me out of the van while i was trying to get my daughter. At no point did my Dana have a weapon on him. AT NO POINT WAS HE ARMED. HE WAS UNARMED DURING THE ENTIRE TIME. HE WAS UNARMED!

The guy who was interviewed called mike who runs the planet smoothie down the shopping strip that was posted on this channel could not have possibly seen my husband,Dana, running. I saw Dana get grabbed. Dana's body lay right next to the van when he was shot, right by the passenger door. Had he ran, he would not have been still right next to the vehicle when he was shot. I saw the officers shoot him and I saw his body on the ground covered in blood right next to the passenger door he was trying to close. There was no crime committed. My family and I were there so I could workout. We had every right to be there just like any other paying member of the facility. Our 8yr old daughter suffered injuries while I was trying to get her because at that time the officer who broke my window grabbed me and pulled me out of the van. My daughter went face first into the pavement and busted her lip and hurt her right leg. Thankfully she's still alive.

Why the police were there in the first place is still unclear to me.

[Cthulhu]

Police initiate shootout with robbers on a crowded highway, hostage and one bystander killed

You're safer with the criminals, they have an incentive to keep you alive.

[Iduno]

Police initiate shootout with robbers on a crowded highway, hostage and one bystander killed

You're safer with the criminals, they have an incentive to keep you alive.

They also have to return things they steal from you when they get caught, unless the cops steal it first claiming it's evidence.

[Yoink]

Police initiate shootout with robbers on a crowded highway, hostage and one bystander killed

You're safer with the criminals, they have an incentive to keep you alive.

Huh, I saw a video on /r/wtf earlier where some driver was filming all the choppers in the air and just happened to pan across as the UPS truck went speeding past, followed by an absolute army of police vehicles.

[Iduno]

Police initiate shootout with robbers on a crowded highway, hostage and one bystander killed

You're safer with the criminals, they have an incentive to keep you alive.

Huh, I saw a video on /r/wtf earlier where some driver was filming all the choppers in the air and just happened to pan across as the UPS truck went speeding past, followed by an absolute army of police vehicles.

That's a normal response. I mean, it's insane and excessive, but also it's what normally happens. They fit 2 dozen police in my downstairs neighbor's apartment when they served a "warrant" at his apartment, and SWAT served the "warrant" by knocking, kicking in the door, whatever the equivalent of pistol whipping someone with a rifle is called (he tried to answer the knock at the door), threw a flashbang in his face, then arrested him so they could tear apart the apartment undisturbed. I had to hide and keep the dog hidden, because they had posted guards at the back, and one started aiming when he saw me in the window.

I mean tear apart his apartment as well. 600 square feet, and it took them an hour with power tools. No piece of furniture had 2 sticks left attached, walls were destroyed, every piece of food or can of beer in the fridge was smashed on the floor, TV was smashed, clothes thrown everywhere. It was insane to see the destruction. He ended up having to move in the middle of the night so he didn't get stuck with the repair bill. I know they didn't find anything, because we have surprisingly thin walls/ceilings.

[Naturegirl1999]

I can’t believe cops would do this, this sounds like the work of vandals. Apparently if cops do it it’s fine? This is insane

[Doomblade187]

I can’t believe cops would do this, this sounds like the work of vandals. Apparently if cops do it it’s fine? This is insane

There was a recent (last 2 years) case where a shoplifter ran into someone else's house and hid there. The police then proceeded to blow up each and every room with concussion grenades.

The real question I have for Iduno is why the fuck did the cops bring power tools?

[Iduno]

I can’t believe cops would do this, this sounds like the work of vandals. Apparently if cops do it it’s fine? This is insane

There was a recent (last 2 years) case where a shoplifter ran into someone else's house and hid there. The police then proceeded to blow up each and every room with concussion grenades.

The real question I have for Iduno is why the fuck did the cops bring power tools?

Yeah, that's part of why I mentioned it. It's real weird.

[SalmonGod]

Agree with Cthulhu.  I've been saying it for years.  We would be safer without them.  If I am ever in a dangerous situation with a criminal, I will be more afraid of police getting involved than of the criminal.

You can watch an uncut video of the shooting here.

You can see police taking cover behind occupied civilian vehicles.  They don't give a fuck about anyone's safety.

Also...

[Iduno]

I can’t believe cops would do this, this sounds like the work of vandals. Apparently if cops do it it’s fine? This is insane

My job involves spending time around cops when they assume you're on their side. Do not do this if you're capable of empathy, because they hate everyone. Like, I had an abusive family and cops' cruelty surprises me.


https://twitter.com/LilianaSegura/status/1196198439685672961

[Reelya]

Article about some bogus "system" (in the sense of training + materials) being sold to police departments for detecting guilty people from their writing

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

https://yro.slashdot.org/story/19/12/07/2123226/why-are-cops-around-the-world-using-this-outlandish-mind-reading-tool

The site includes dozens of testimonials with no names attached. "Since January when I first attended your course, everybody I meet just walks up to me and confesses!" one says.

Lol.

In 2009 the U.S. government created a special interagency task force to review scientific studies and independently investigate which interrogation techniques worked, assessed by the FBI, CIA and the U.S. Department of Defense. "When all 12 SCAN criteria were used in a laboratory study, SCAN did not distinguish truth-tellers from liars above the level of chance," the review said, also challenging two of the method's 12 criteria. "Both gaps in memory and spontaneous corrections have been shown to be indicators of truth, contrary to what is claimed by SCAN."

So, the Tony-Robbins-for-Cops guy who created this thing says stuff like having memory-gaps in your narrative or writing something then correcting it are signs of guilt, when in fact a government review has in fact found that these are associated with innocence. People who are in fact making shit up will just roll with it, will have no gaps and won't correct anything.

Other news I came across is related to abusive policing in a non-US country, Japan. Don't assume it's all wine and roses in other advanced nations even if they have more sensible health care.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

For years, Japanese police have been very poor in actual investigation skill since they almost entirely depend on interrogation leading to a signed confession. If ever arrested in Japan, don't say anything, don't sign anything. The entire game on their part is to get you to sign something saying you did it before their time limit on holding you expires.

Also, these interrogations are not required to be recorded. There have been a number of case of clearly innocent people confessing to things that may not have even happened (non-existent crimes) because they just wanted the interrogations to stop:
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-20810572
Japan "boasted" a 99% conviction rate. This is largely due to entirely relying on "extracting" confessions rather than any sort of crime-solving prowess. Also, these interrogations have never been recorded, and the police are actively hostile to the suggestion of having interrogations recorded. But a number of high profile cases regarding false confessions have started things moving hopefully.

However there was a small victory this year. The Japanese government finally mandated recording of interviews for serious crimes, in June of this year. There have been recordings before, but it wasn't mandatory, which you all know means it will be abused.
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/06/01/national/crime-legal/recording-interrogations-serious-cases-becomes-mandatory-japan/#.XezaofxS92U

[Cthulhu]

I can’t believe cops would do this, this sounds like the work of vandals. Apparently if cops do it it’s fine? This is insane

My job involves spending time around cops when they assume you're on their side. Do not do this if you're capable of empathy, because they hate everyone. Like, I had an abusive family and cops' cruelty surprises me.


https://twitter.com/LilianaSegura/status/1196198439685672961

It's a myth that 40% of cops beat their wives.  40% of cops are reported beating their wives

[SOLDIER First]

Relating to that, it's not fair to say that cops are all stupid. Some of them were smart enough not to get caught beating their wives, after all.