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[Rolan7]

They formed the foundation of our philosophy and much of our legal system, they are complicit!

[Helgoland]

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FUK DA POLIS

Fixed, sort of.

[Descan]

I don't care about 'good cops' until those supposedly good cops are leading the march against police brutality and police corruption, rather than trying to protect their image by saying "What problem?"

Until it goes from #NotAllCops to #HereAreTheBadCops or something, then they're just part of the problem. That they care more about how they look than about cleaning up their departments or about black (or even otherwise, but predominantly black) peoples lives shows me just how 'good' they actually are.

[Playergamer]

#LightningRodLivesMatter.

[BorkBorkGoesTheCode]

I don't care about 'good cops' until those supposedly good cops are leading the march against police brutality and police corruption, rather than trying to protect their image by saying "What problem?"

Until it goes from #NotAllCops to #HereAreTheBadCops or something, then they're just part of the problem. That they care more about how they look than about cleaning up their departments or about black (or even otherwise, but predominantly black) peoples lives shows me just how 'good' they actually are.

Did you say this before the recent shootings? Cops ARE marching with protesters, for selfless or selfish reasons.

[nenjin]

The police are suffering from believing themselves on a war footing in their own country. I think that's at the root of all these shootings. They're being prepped for it and trained for it and told every day to watch their backs....and the retaliation attacks have been just the thing to make that mindset stick. There are good cops fighting against of a tide of expecting trouble everywhere and finding it with ease. It's a organizational behavior that has never been great but has just gotten out of hand lately. Either that or we just know about these things happening more than we used to thanks to technology. Police get treated like a special class of citizen when it comes to them as an organization, and that's really what's got to stop. Every police department IMO should have a civilian board with the actual power to do something to make change if police chiefs can't reform the cops they have and properly train the new ones they get. But since cops have their own unions, are city/state employees and all that jazz, bringing them to heel is harder to do.

I appreciate there are good cops out there but frankly their presence doesn't do anything to prevent bad cops from being bad. If police chiefs and city/state government can't reform their own institutions, and may well be encouraging the kind of behavior we as citizens find unacceptable, what chance do "just some good cops" really have?

We need to start viewing cops as people, and treating them as people. Fallible, flawed, lazy, scared. The hero worship of police for political gain has gotten to the point where some people are completely deaf to the idea that there is a systemic problem with policing in this country.

And days where you're cursing their problems in one state and mourning their murdered dead in another doesn't make it any easier to come to terms with shit.

[SOLDIER First]

Haha, what problem?

[RedKing]

#LightningRodLivesMatter.

Cool story bro. When lightning starts striking black people at 2.5 times the rate of white people, give me a call.

[SalmonGod]

I don't care about 'good cops' until those supposedly good cops are leading the march against police brutality and police corruption, rather than trying to protect their image by saying "What problem?"

Until it goes from #NotAllCops to #HereAreTheBadCops or something, then they're just part of the problem. That they care more about how they look than about cleaning up their departments or about black (or even otherwise, but predominantly black) peoples lives shows me just how 'good' they actually are.

Did you say this before the recent shootings? Cops ARE marching with protesters, for selfless or selfish reasons.

There actually are more decent cops stepping up and making their positions known.  There was a black woman officer who went on an epic rant that went viral.  And various cities are showing proper attitudes towards protest for once.  I'm actually impressed with the Dallas police.  I didn't care much for the speeches that I saw by the police chief or mayor, but it seems there were really good vibes between the police and the protesters before the shooting started... and even somewhat after the shooting started.  While police in some cities are earning my respect, others are losing it.  Baton Rouge seems pretty fucking horrible.  Since the death of Alton Sterling, there have been some police from that area outed as displaying overt racism on social media, and their attitude towards the protests has been your typical heavy-handed oppression.  Saw an article today that some woman even invited a bunch of protesters to rally on her own private property, and police invaded it to arrest them.

[DJ]

I'll believe in good cops when they break the thin blue line, ie start testifying in court against their colleagues and whistleblowing when their departments organize cover-ups of police misconduct.

[Zangi]

Haha, what problem?

Everything can be made legal and above-board when you can shop around for 'expert' testimony...  Works with 'fact'-finding research too.

[Sheb]

I'm not sure it's really a good idea to try to generalize to all cops in the US context. You guys have a gorrillion different PDs, with vastly different sets of accountability and policy. Truean complains that internal affairs dept. are underfunded and cannot do their job, but a lot of smaller PDs don't even have internals affairs dept. and have officers judged by a panel of a few of their buddies. Not surprisingly, those tends to be rather horrible. Even the tendency to shoot blacks and hispanics at a higher rate than white varies a lot from PD to PD, with so counties having blacks shot at up to twenty time the rate of whites.

Sure, lots of reform is needed, but effective reform needs to praise the PDs making a good job as well as shaming those that don't.

[martinuzz]

AND not painting every single PO with the same brush. That kind of thinking never works out well for any group.

Hah, that just gave me a mental image of changing the police uniforms. Instead of using only one colour uniform, uniforms in all colours of the rainbow would be randomly distributed amongst the officers, to make them look more friendly and diverse.

[Loud Whispers]

Hah, that just gave me a mental image of changing the police uniforms. Instead of using only one colour uniform, uniforms in all colours of the rainbow would be randomly distributed amongst the officers, to make them look more friendly and diverse.

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[scriver]

Some south east Asian country, I want to remember it as Thailand, had a policy that all officers found guilty of corruption had to wear a pink upperarmband with Hello Kitty on it.