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[smeeprocket]

It would be like a witch hunt if the involved parties were actually evil witches that ate children and cursed people.

Then I guess it could be a witch hunt.

[Mr. Strange]

Also another fun article.

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/cops-beat-kidnap-12-yo-girl-front-home-claiming-prostitute/

Okay, reading this actually made me feel physically sick.

[smeeprocket]

Also another fun article.

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/cops-beat-kidnap-12-yo-girl-front-home-claiming-prostitute/

Okay, reading this actually made me feel physically sick.

yea I've been avoiding facebook lately because it's like, all stuff like this.

Edit:

This is also relevant and an issue that has been frustrating me a lot.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kali-nicole-gross/demands-for-justice-are-failing-black-women-and-girls_b_6295744.html

[SaberToothTiger]

You know, after reading these reports I conclude that currently America is more chaotic Soviet than Soviet Russia.

How.

What.

[Zangi]

@KKK
So... to be a devil's advocate.
Is simply being a member of the KKK sufficient grounds for dismissal if they have done nothing wrong otherwise?

Cause yea, witch hunt and all the shenanigans that entails...

Look at it on a practical level. Some day this guy might arrest a minority member and have to testify in court as to why. The defence lawyer can bring up the fact that he is a publicly known clan member.

His biases and judgement are called into the spotlight and every arrest - hell, every action - he makes that could have any racial or prejudicial basis exposes the force to an easy civil rights suit. They are already reviewing all their past action for potential bias. Keeping them on the force would only make matters worse down the line.

They didn't commit a crime, but at the same time things don't have to rise to that level to make someone unsuitable for their job. If I was a schoolteacher who moonlighted as a supporter of PIE and the latter came out, I would justifiably lose my job even if I had never committed a crime.

Ah, yes.  The potential for liability and the fact that people will not trust his testimony, regardless of his work, due to affiliation.  That is a very good reason.

[smeeprocket]

You know, after reading these reports I conclude that currently America is more chaotic Soviet than Soviet Russia.

How.

What.

Yea Capitalism isn't all it's cracked up to be.

[smjjames]

You know, after reading these reports I conclude that currently America is more chaotic Soviet than Soviet Russia.

How.

What.

Chaotic Soviet? Are there also Neutral Soviet and Lawful Soviet alignments?

[smeeprocket]

@KKK
So... to be a devil's advocate.
Is simply being a member of the KKK sufficient grounds for dismissal if they have done nothing wrong otherwise?

Cause yea, witch hunt and all the shenanigans that entails...

Look at it on a practical level. Some day this guy might arrest a minority member and have to testify in court as to why. The defence lawyer can bring up the fact that he is a publicly known clan member.

His biases and judgement are called into the spotlight and every arrest - hell, every action - he makes that could have any racial or prejudicial basis exposes the force to an easy civil rights suit. They are already reviewing all their past action for potential bias. Keeping them on the force would only make matters worse down the line.

They didn't commit a crime, but at the same time things don't have to rise to that level to make someone unsuitable for their job. If I was a schoolteacher who moonlighted as a supporter of PIE and the latter came out, I would justifiably lose my job even if I had never committed a crime.

Ah, yes.  The potential for liability and the fact that people will not trust his testimony, regardless of his work, due to affiliation.  That is a very good reason.

wait, that's the good reason. Not, "he is part of an organization that has historically murdered people for being black and terrorized them for it and may still continue that to this day?"

Really?

[SaberToothTiger]

Only Soviet Soviet. And Equal Soviet, or if you feel daring, Equalier Day

[Zangi]

@KKK
So... to be a devil's advocate.
Is simply being a member of the KKK sufficient grounds for dismissal if they have done nothing wrong otherwise?

Cause yea, witch hunt and all the shenanigans that entails...

Look at it on a practical level. Some day this guy might arrest a minority member and have to testify in court as to why. The defence lawyer can bring up the fact that he is a publicly known clan member.

His biases and judgement are called into the spotlight and every arrest - hell, every action - he makes that could have any racial or prejudicial basis exposes the force to an easy civil rights suit. They are already reviewing all their past action for potential bias. Keeping them on the force would only make matters worse down the line.

They didn't commit a crime, but at the same time things don't have to rise to that level to make someone unsuitable for their job. If I was a schoolteacher who moonlighted as a supporter of PIE and the latter came out, I would justifiably lose my job even if I had never committed a crime.

Ah, yes.  The potential for liability and the fact that people will not trust his testimony, regardless of his work, due to affiliation.  That is a very good reason.

wait, that's the good reason. Not, "he is part of an organization that has historically murdered people for being black and terrorized them for it and may still continue that to this day?"

Really?

My viewpoint is not driven solely or even dominantly by ethics/morality?
Yes.

I'm also not a fan of singling out and firing people solely cause of their affiliation either.  But that is me.

[smeeprocket]

@KKK
So... to be a devil's advocate.
Is simply being a member of the KKK sufficient grounds for dismissal if they have done nothing wrong otherwise?

Cause yea, witch hunt and all the shenanigans that entails...

Look at it on a practical level. Some day this guy might arrest a minority member and have to testify in court as to why. The defence lawyer can bring up the fact that he is a publicly known clan member.

His biases and judgement are called into the spotlight and every arrest - hell, every action - he makes that could have any racial or prejudicial basis exposes the force to an easy civil rights suit. They are already reviewing all their past action for potential bias. Keeping them on the force would only make matters worse down the line.

They didn't commit a crime, but at the same time things don't have to rise to that level to make someone unsuitable for their job. If I was a schoolteacher who moonlighted as a supporter of PIE and the latter came out, I would justifiably lose my job even if I had never committed a crime.

Ah, yes.  The potential for liability and the fact that people will not trust his testimony, regardless of his work, due to affiliation.  That is a very good reason.

wait, that's the good reason. Not, "he is part of an organization that has historically murdered people for being black and terrorized them for it and may still continue that to this day?"

Really?

My viewpoint is not driven solely or even dominantly by ethics/morality?
Yes.

I'm also not a fan of singling out and firing people solely cause of their affiliation either.  But that is me.

right well, the police should be driven by ethics and morality since that is important to our society. Regardless of whether you prefer the ayn rand route or not.

edit: and, you're concerned about singling out a white kkk member in the police but not black people being slaughtered by said police or any sort of discrimination? I think that's a bigger problem and the only possible motivation for seeing it otherwise would be placing more worth on the white cop.

[smirk]

@KKK
So... to be a devil's advocate.
Is simply being a member of the KKK sufficient grounds for dismissal if they have done nothing wrong otherwise?

Cause yea, witch hunt and all the shenanigans that entails...

Look at it on a practical level. Some day this guy might arrest a minority member and have to testify in court as to why. The defence lawyer can bring up the fact that he is a publicly known clan member.

His biases and judgement are called into the spotlight and every arrest - hell, every action - he makes that could have any racial or prejudicial basis exposes the force to an easy civil rights suit. They are already reviewing all their past action for potential bias. Keeping them on the force would only make matters worse down the line.

They didn't commit a crime, but at the same time things don't have to rise to that level to make someone unsuitable for their job. If I was a schoolteacher who moonlighted as a supporter of PIE and the latter came out, I would justifiably lose my job even if I had never committed a crime.

Ah, yes.  The potential for liability and the fact that people will not trust his testimony, regardless of his work, due to affiliation.  That is a very good reason.

Reason is simple: if you belong to a group based entirely on racial discrimination, that disqualifies you from holding a job where racial discrimination is unacceptable (on paper, anyway). Rotary Club, the KKK ain't.

E: ninja'd

[Zangi]

*snip*
right well, the police should be driven by ethics and morality since that is important to our society. Regardless of whether you prefer the ayn rand route or not.

edit: and, you're concerned about singling out a white kkk member in the police but not black people being slaughtered by said police or any sort of discrimination? I think that's a bigger problem and the only possible motivation for seeing it otherwise would be placing more worth on the white cop.

Errr... yea, these particular guys from the Florida article havn't done any of that?  I don't know the details of how they conducted their career, the article does not mention them being in any mud other then the affiliation...  Or are they already assumed to be guilty of doing corrupt cop things in the future if they had stuck around?

[Mictlantecuhtli]

Do you even know who the KKK is? Lol.

[Zangi]

Do you even know who the KKK is? Lol.

Yes.